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Iraq: US used White Phosphorus as an offensive weapon

 
 
lodp
 
Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2005 10:05 am
After the Pentagon's initial denial of allegations made in a RAInews documentary that the US military had used white phosphorus as an offensive weapon in the assault on Fallujah in Nov 2004, evidence dug up by bloggers has forced the Pentagon to admit just that.

The evidence comes from a US military publication, the Field Artillery Magazine, which states very clearly that white phosphorus has indeed been used against human targets:

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White Phosphorous. WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE [high explosive]. We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.


The use of any chemical agent against humans, be it civilians or combatants is prohibited by the Chemical Weapons convention, which clearly states:

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..any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm


Pentagon spokesperson Barry Venable now admitted the use of white phosphorus against enemy combatants in an interview with BBC radio. What he says is in direct contradiction to statements made by US Military spokesperson Lt. Col. Steve Boylan on the independent news outlet DemocracyNOW!, in which it was claimed that white phosphorus was only used in illumitate the battleground and destroy empty buildings and equipment.

It seems that in large parts of corporate media land the issue of whether this violates the CWC and consitutes a war crime is somewhat misrepresented. The point is not whether it was used deliberately against civilians (which pentagon spokespersons deny) but whether it was used against human targets at all - which is clearly the case.

It is true that white phosphorus is not listed explicitly as a chemical weapon in the Chemical Weapons Convention. But as becomes clear in the above quote from the convention, any chemical agent - even if it is not a chemical weapon per se and can be used in legal ways on the battleground, like for illumination or camouflage purposes - is prohibited from use against humans, and any such use constitutes a war crime.

Here are some links:

DemocracyNOW!, Nov 17: Pentagon Reverses Position and Admits U.S. Troops Used White Phosphorous Against Iraqis in Fallujah

The Independent, Nov 17 - White Phosphorus - The Big White Lie

The Guardian of London, Nov 15: The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it

BBC, Nov 16: White phosphorus: weapon on the edge

RAInews documentary ("Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre")
- this is the piece that brought year-old allegations by independent journalists like Dahr Jamail back to the surface.

you can (legally!) download the RAInews documentary here beware - contains grim images of people, also women and children, burned by white phosphorus:
http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/fallujah_ING.wmv

Debate on DemocracyNOW!, Nov 8
including the co-producer of the Italian Documentary, a military spokesperson who denies and a US Soldier in Iraq who confirms the claims
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 08:04 am
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 05:54 pm
So, the US is saignatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention?



I guess now that the denial is blasted apart, the argument will be it is not a real chemical weapon as well as the collateral damage one.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 07:12 pm
By international convention, WP is classed an incendiary, not a chemical agent, and as such is subject to proscription under the terms of no treaty to which the US is signatory.

Among its military uses are signaling, illumination, screening, heat-signature-masking/decoy, and direct target effect. WP-based munitions are deployed by the militaries of most, if not all, major nations.

Thermal Effect Weapons, such as WP, Thermite, Napalm, Fuel-Air Explosives, and Thermobarics, among others of like or similar effect, in concert with all other militarily legitimate weapons, are subject only to the principle of proportionality which governs the use of all weapons under existing law.




Not that facts bother some folks.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 07:29 pm
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Not that facts bother some folks.


To be fair (and accurate) big fella, there are two sets of facts involved. The legal facts of definition and treaty signing or treaty avoiding AND the facts regarding what happens to a human when this stuff lands on them.
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lodp
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 08:25 pm
timberlandko wrote:
By international convention, WP is classed an incendiary, not a chemical agent


any substance that produces chemical reactions, is referred to as a "chemical agent". it's not a technical term restricted to the arms trade.


timberlandko wrote:
and as such is subject to proscription under the terms of no treaty to which the US is signatory.


the chemical weapons convention, which the US signed and ratified in 1997 says in Article II that a "toxic chemical" is "any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm". i would argue that the following description of the effects of WP include some "chemical actions on life processes" (this shouldn't stop anyone from splitting hairs of course):

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The burns usually are multiple, deep, and variable in size. The solid in the eye produces severe injury. The particles continue to burn unless deprived of atmospheric oxygen... If service members are hit by pieces of white phosphorus, it could burn right down to the bone.(globalsecurity.org)


moreover, it turns out that even us-army manuals say the use of WP is illegal.

The Independent, Nov 18: US Army rules say: 'Don't use WP against people'

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A section from an instruction manual used by the US Army Command and General Staff School (CGSC) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, makes clear that white phosphorus (WP) can be used to produce a smoke screen. But it adds: "It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets."



timberlandko wrote:
Among its military uses are signaling, illumination, screening, heat-signature-masking/decoy, and direct target effect


i cited those as the legal uses, and those are not the ones we're talking about here - the whole point is that, in addition to those purposes, WP was used to "flush" enemy comabatants out of their positions, apparently with severe "collateral damages".
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:14 pm
The facts being the casualties, I presume?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:48 pm
Poppycock: White Phosphorus. The use of WP for screening and/or area denial is not proscribed, and in the instance referrenced, WP was used to drive enemy combatants from protected positions in order to expose them to the effects of high explosive and fragmentation weapons. From the Guardian Article you cite:

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... WP was used in Fallujah to help dislodge insurgent fighters from prepared defensive positions so that they could then be targeted with high-explosives ammunition ...

... The 1980 UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits use of incendiaries against civilians and demands that forces using them against military targets take all available steps to avoid civilian casualties ...


Now, of course some will insist that any civilian casualties are violative of the laws of warfare; poppycock again. The reality is that given the nature and circumstances of warfare, particularly urban warfare involving combat with irregulars comprising a hostile insurgent force, some civilians all but inevitably will fall casualty, if for no other reason than proximity to the area of active hostility. Civilians per se are not to be targeted, and in this case were not targeted; the fire was against prepared insurgent positions. Had the fire been delivered upon a purely civilian target, a target of no military significance, the complaint would have credence on the grounds of military lethal action - of any sort - soley against non-combatant civilians.

War sucks. People get killed, tragedy befalls innocents, and stuff gets blown up. The proper conduct of war is to wage the fight in such manner as to expose one's own forces and any uninvolved civilians to as little risk as is practical given due diligence and prudence, while pursuing every legitimate, proportionaly apropriate avenue available to eliminate the opposing force's will and ability to continue the fight. Humanitarian and legalistic concerns aside, from a purely pragmatic, cost-benefit aspect, the targeting of civilians is counter-productive and inefficient on fiscal, effort, and public relations (propaganda, if you insist) standpoints; it just doesn't pay, it is not an efficient means of accomplishing the desired end of reducing the military capability of one's enemy. Not to say there aren't screwups - Rusty Calley comes immediately to mind, but bear in mind Calley and his immediate superiors and responsible subordinates were courts-martialled, convicted, and sentenced for their offences. Bear in mind as well the Ba'athists/al Zarqawi/et al crowd are not nearly so fastidious, nor even remotely so efficient, as are the US Armed Forces.
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lodp
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 01:07 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Bear in mind as well the Ba'athists/al Zarqawi/et al crowd are not nearly so fastidious, nor even remotely so efficient, as are the US Armed Forces.


also they don't have all their atrocities supported by legions of well-behaved and properly educated patriots, as have the US Armed Forces :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 01:25 pm
lodp wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Bear in mind as well the Ba'athists/al Zarqawi/et al crowd are not nearly so fastidious, nor even remotely so efficient, as are the US Armed Forces.


also they don't have all their atrocities supported by legions of well-behaved and properly educated patriots, as have the US Armed Forces :wink:


Given that the tactics of the Ba'athist/al Zarqawi/et al crowd center on the indiscriminate slaughter of unarmed civilians, intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure, disruption of civilian day-to-day life, and inhibition of civilian rights, along with disguising themselves as and hiding among unarmed/non-combatant civilians, while conducting hostile action therefrom, all patent and specific violations of the laws of warfare, whereas institutionally the practices of the armed forces of Western Nations are governed by the laws of warfare, conducted while in uniform under an established and responsible chain of command, with weapons borne openly, with due diligence and prudence applied to the risk of collateral damage to unnarmed/non-combatant civilians and civilian infrastucture, violations thereof subject to investigation and sanction up to and including prosecution, I find commentary such as you've offered specious, agenda driven, and grossly uninformed. Of course, anyone is entitled to hold and espouse any opinion they find satisfactory.
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lodp
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 04:48 pm
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tactics of the Ba'athist/al Zarqawi/et al crowd center on the indiscriminate slaughter of unarmed civilians, intentional destruction of civilian[...]


as i said, i don't see anybody defending THOSE GUYS, and i'm not here to defend them either. but i see plenty of people defending the actions of the best-oiled, best-armed 'collateral damage' - machine there ever was in world history.

i don't 'pick sides' between the US and those parts of the Iraqi resistance that target civilians. that's not a choice i feel i have to make. either side inflicts tremendous suffering on the civilian population. the fact that one side targets them directly in many instances, and the other calls it collateral damage doesn't make much of a difference to me. as does the fact that one side has their little "rules of engagement" and dresses up in uniforms. especially given that the destruction force and the scale in which it is put to use by the foreign invasion/occupation force vastly exceeds the potential of the Iraqi fighters.

does the Iraqi resistance have the power to drive 300.000 people out of a town, retaining males age 15-55 and then move in and reduce the place to rubble, killing thousands? i think not...

as to my commentary being agenda-driven, that's a funny notion. as if any sane commentary on these issues could be written without an agenda. you can't be neutral on a moving train, there are people dieing...
this 50:50 fair and balanced BS in the US media sure messes up discourse...
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lodp
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 04:20 pm
the guardinan newspaper's george monbiot reports about a declassified defence department document dated 1991 that accuses saddam of having used "white phosphorus chemical weapons" against the kurds:


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"Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used
white phosphorus (WP) chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil ... and Dohuk provinces, Iraq. The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships ... These reports of possible WP chemical weapon attacks spread quickly ... hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled from these two areas."


The Guardian, Nov 22: Behind the phosphorus clouds are war crimes within war crimes

to sum up the story since the release of the italian documentary on the issue of WP so far:

1. us military denies it's use as a weapon and claims it was only used for camouflage and illumination purposes (Lt.Col. Boylan on DemocracyNow! Nov. 8)

2. Bloggers dig up an article in Field Artillery Magazine, a US army publication, that describes the use of WP in fallujah to "flush" combatants out of their positions.

3. Pentagon spokesperson Lt. Col. Barry Venable concedes use of WP as an offensive weapon on BBC radio Nov. 15, claiming it was not a chemical weapon and thus not outlawed by any treaty that the US has signed.

4. There are reports that an army manual used in Fort Leavenworth says "It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets." (the independent, Nov 19)

5. A declassified defence department document calls WP a chemical weapon when referring to actions of Saddam Hussein against the kurds.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 04:36 pm
That makes white phosphorus and depleted uranium. Were using illegal weapons to stop people from using illegal weapons that never existed. What are we?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 06:41 pm
lodp, to sum up the Italian story, stealing your phrase, it is a misleading, misinformed, propaganda piece from what amounts to the media arm of the Italian Communist Party, the same folks who brought us the infamous Sgrena non-story of hyped, mischaracterized, and patently false accusations - typical of the Argumentum ad Ignorantiam / Argumentum ad Misericordiam / Argumentum ad Nauseam style endemic to the "America Worst" crowd.

What you have there is hysteria and ignorance, not foundationally sound cause for legal action.

Inconvenient to your case are the following:

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Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons
Protocol III

Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons.
Geneva, 10 October 1980
Article 1
Definitions


For the purpose of this Protocol:

1. Incendiary weapon" means any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target. (a) Incendiary weapons can take the form of, for example, flame throwers, fougasses, shells, rockets, grenades, mines, bombs and other containers of incendiary substances.
(b) Incendiary weapons do not include:
(i) Munitions which may have incidental incendiary effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signalling systems;
(ii) Munitions designed to combine penetration, blast or fragmentation effects with an additional incendiary effect, such as armour-piercing projectiles, fragmentation shells, explosive bombs and similar combined-effects munitions in which the incendiary effect is not specifically designed to cause burn injury to persons, but to be used against military objectives, such as armoured vehicles, aircraft and installations or facilities.
2. Concentration of civilians" means any concentration of civilians, be it permanent or temporary, such as in inhabited parts of cities, or inhabited towns or villages, or as in camps or columns of refugees or evacuees, or groups of nomads.
3. Military objective" means, so far as objects are concerned, any object which by its nature, location, purpose or use makes an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.
4. Civilian objects" are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 3.
5. Feasible precautions" are those precautions which are practicable or practically possible taking into account all circumstances ruling at the time, including humanitarian and military considerations.

Article 2
Protection of civilians and civilian objects


1. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
3. . It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
4. It is prohibited to make forests or other kinds of plant cover the object of attack by incendiary weapons except when such natural elements are used to cover, conceal or camouflage combatants or other military objectives, or are themselves military objectives.


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Excerpts - United Nations: Ammuntion (Download note: 63 Page .pdf file).

AMMUNITION

Generic term related mainly to articles of military application consisting of all kind of bombs, grenades, rockets, mines, projectiles and other similar devices or contrivances.

AMMUNITION, ILLUMINATING with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge

Ammunition designed to produce a single source of intense light for lighting up an area. The term includes illuminating cartridges, grenades and projectiles; and illuminating and target identification bombs. The term excludes the following articles which are listed separately: CARTRIDGES, SIGNAL; SIGNAL DEVICES, HAND; SIGNALS, DISTRESS; FLARES, AERIAL and FLARES, SURFACE.

AMMUNITION, INCENDIARY


Ammunition containing incendiary substance which may be a solid, liquid or gel including WHITE PHOSPHORUS. Except when the composition is an explosive per se, it also contains one or more of the following: a propelling charge with primer and igniter charge; a fuze with burster or expelling charge. The term includes:


AMMUNITION, INCENDIARY, liquid or gel, with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge;
AMMUNITION, INCENDIARY with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge;
AMMUNITION, INCENDIARY, WHITE PHOSPHORUS with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge ...

AMMUNITION, SMOKE

Ammunition containing smoke-producing substance such as chlorosulphonic acid mixture, titanium tetrachloride or WHITE PHOSPHORUS; or smoke-producing pyrotechnic composition based on hexachloroethane or red phosphorus. Except when the substance is an explosive per se, the ammunition also contains one or more of the following: a propelling charge with primer and igniter charge; a fuze with burster or expelling charge. The term includes grenades, smoke but excludes SIGNALS, SMOKE which are listed separately. The term includes:

AMMUNITION, SMOKE with or without burster, expelling charge or propelling charge;
AMMUNITION, SMOKE, WHITE PHOSPHORUS with burster, expelling charge or propelling charge ...

ARTICLES, PYROPHORIC

Articles which contain a pyrophoric substance (capable of spontaneous ignition when exposed to air) and an explosive substance or component. The term excludes articles containing WHITE PHOSPHORUS.
(Color-formatted emphasis added by timber).

Interestingly, there exists a class of non-lethal weapons, which in many instances could be used to achieve the cover-denial effect for which white phosphorus currently is used. This class is comprised of gaseous and/or aerosol short-term irritants, such as pepper spray and the various formulations of teargas. The military combat use of this class of weapon is prohibited under the laws of warfare, though such compounds may be and widely are used by civil authority in response to civilian disturbances. The collateral damage associated with weapons of this nature is generally confined to that which can be dealt with by taking a shower and laundering one's garments.

Amigo, without going to the trouble of digging up pertinent links - which abound - I will submit your assertion is baseless as well; neither white phosphorus nor depleted uranium, nor, for that matter, napalm, are prohibited under any treaty to which The US is signatory.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:08 pm
Why don't we just ask a Marine how they used whisky pete in Fullugha (spelled wrong). He'll tell you off the record.

I'm a complete waste of your time timber. I know the truth and I know where to get it. It ain't on T.V. nor on the glossy covers in the news stands.

In time when when the masses can stomach it the truth will come out slow and quite like the truth about 9/11. Theres already a whisper about that in Washington.

But you stick with the official story I guess theres a place for everything and your good at it. besides we all know everything is legal in war. Everything. As long as you win.

P.S. I wonder whats causing the mysterious gulf war sickness. The government just can't figure it out. I'm sure they will. It's all about supporting the troops.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:24 pm
Dunno how many Marines you know, Amigo, but I know a bunch of 'em - including my son. And I don't know how many folks you've corresponded with or spoken to who were anywhere near, let alone in, Fallujah - or, for that matter, Iraq or Afghanistan. Personally, I count a bunch in that category among my day-to-day contact list, too. And I am relatively confident the candor with which such discuss things with me goes a bit beyond that with which they would discuss things with anyone not an ex-Marine/Combat Veteran. There's a sorta THING going on there, more or less closed to "Outsiders".

I'll almost go along with the "waste of time" observation though - I have no expectation of changing anyone's mind, I just feel inclined once in a while to respond to and refute the "America Worst" BS that is rampant. Such excersize may be futile, but its satisfying.

A sidebar - I had occasion to be in Europe several times during what amounted to the peak of the '80s Anti-US/Anti-Reagan sillyness. Some striking parallels between those days and these.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:41 pm
I guess it's just a matter of how mutch you want to see.

I saw Reagan speak once. I wasn't listening though. That bring back the old El salvador, Guatemala days. Yes, It's the same thing because it's the same people. Only there much stronger now. I grew up watching there rise to power. Their good. the best ever.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:44 pm
Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney are a great buncha gangsters.
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lodp
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2005 04:52 pm
here's another report on the defence department document that referred to WP as a chemical weapon - when Saddam used it.


The Independent: US intelligence classified white phosphorus as 'chemical weapon'

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US intelligence classified white phosphorus as 'chemical weapon'
By Peter Popham and Anne Penketh
Published: 23 November 2005

The Italian journalist who launched the controversy over the American use of white phosphorus (WP) as a weapon of war in the Fallujah siege has accused the Americans of hypocrisy.

Sigfrido Ranucci, who made the documentary for the RAI television channel aired two weeks ago, said that a US intelligence assessment had characterised WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

The assessment was published in a declassified report on the American Department of Defence website. The file was headed: "Possible use of phosphorous chemical weapons by Iraq in Kurdish areas along the Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian borders."

In late February 1991, an intelligence source reported, during the Iraqi crackdown on the Kurdish uprising that followed the coalition victory against Iraq, "Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used white phosphorous chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships."

According to the intelligence report, the "reports of possible WP chemical weapon attacks spread quickly among the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled from these two areas" across the border into Turkey.

"When Saddam used WP it was a chemical weapon," said Mr Ranucci, "but when the Americans use it, it's a conventional weapon. The injuries it inflicts, however, are just as terrible however you describe it."

In the television documentary, eyewitnesses inside Fallujah during the bombardment in November last year described the terror and agony suffered by victims of the shells . Two former American soldiers who fought at Fallujah told how they had been ordered to prepare for the use of the weapons. The film and still photographs posted on the website of the channel that made the film - rainews24.it - show the strange corpses found after the city's destruction, many with their skin apparently melted or caramelised so their features were indistinguishable. Mr Ranucci said he had seen photographs of "more than 100" of what he described as "anomalous corpses" in the city.

The US State Department and the Pentagon have shifted their position repeatedly in the aftermath of the film's showing. After initially saying that US forces do not use white phosphorus as a weapon, the Pentagon now says that WP had been used against insurgents in Fallujah. The use of WP against civilians as a weapon is prohibited.

Military analysts said that there remain questions about the official US position regarding its observance of the 1980 conventional weapons treaty which governs the use of WP as an incendiary weapon and sets out clear guidelines about the protection of civilians.

Daryl Kimball, director of the Arms Control Association in Washington, called for an independent investigation of the use of WP during the Fallujah siege. "If it was used as an incendiary weapon, clear restrictions apply," he said.

"Given that the US and UK went into Iraq on the ground that Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons against his own people, we need to make sure that we are not violating the laws that we have subscribed to," he added.

Yesterday Adam Mynott, a BBC correspondent in Nassiriya in April 2003, told Rai News 24 that he had seen WP apparently used as a weapon against insurgents in that city.

The Italian journalist who launched the controversy over the American use of white phosphorus (WP) as a weapon of war in the Fallujah siege has accused the Americans of hypocrisy.

Sigfrido Ranucci, who made the documentary for the RAI television channel aired two weeks ago, said that a US intelligence assessment had characterised WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

The assessment was published in a declassified report on the American Department of Defence website. The file was headed: "Possible use of phosphorous chemical weapons by Iraq in Kurdish areas along the Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian borders."

In late February 1991, an intelligence source reported, during the Iraqi crackdown on the Kurdish uprising that followed the coalition victory against Iraq, "Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used white phosphorous chemical weapons against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships."

According to the intelligence report, the "reports of possible WP chemical weapon attacks spread quickly among the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled from these two areas" across the border into Turkey.

"When Saddam used WP it was a chemical weapon," said Mr Ranucci, "but when the Americans use it, it's a conventional weapon. The injuries it inflicts, however, are just as terrible however you describe it."

In the television documentary, eyewitnesses inside Fallujah during the bombardment in November last year described the terror and agony suffered by victims of the shells . Two former American soldiers who fought at Fallujah told how they had been ordered to prepare for the use of the weapons. The film and still photographs posted on the website of the channel that made the film - rainews24.it - show the strange corpses found after the city's destruction, many with their skin apparently melted or caramelised so their features were indistinguishable. Mr Ranucci said he had seen photographs of "more than 100" of what he described as "anomalous corpses" in the city.

The US State Department and the Pentagon have shifted their position repeatedly in the aftermath of the film's showing. After initially saying that US forces do not use white phosphorus as a weapon, the Pentagon now says that WP had been used against insurgents in Fallujah. The use of WP against civilians as a weapon is prohibited.

Military analysts said that there remain questions about the official US position regarding its observance of the 1980 conventional weapons treaty which governs the use of WP as an incendiary weapon and sets out clear guidelines about the protection of civilians.

Daryl Kimball, director of the Arms Control Association in Washington, called for an independent investigation of the use of WP during the Fallujah siege. "If it was used as an incendiary weapon, clear restrictions apply," he said.

"Given that the US and UK went into Iraq on the ground that Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons against his own people, we need to make sure that we are not violating the laws that we have subscribed to," he added.

Yesterday Adam Mynott, a BBC correspondent in Nassiriya in April 2003, told Rai News 24 that he had seen WP apparently used as a weapon against insurgents in that city.



well, looks like contra timberlandko, US army manuals declare the use of WP against personnel targets as "against the law of land warfare" and the defence department calls it a "chemical weapon". i guess those two institutions are also part of the italian communist party apparatus?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 11:05 pm
lodp wrote:
the chemical weapons convention, which the US signed and ratified in 1997 says in Article II that a "toxic chemical" is "any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm". i would argue that the following description of the effects of WP include some "chemical actions on life processes" (this shouldn't stop anyone from splitting hairs of course):

Quote:
The burns usually are multiple, deep, and variable in size. The solid in the eye produces severe injury. The particles continue to burn unless deprived of atmospheric oxygen... If service members are hit by pieces of white phosphorus, it could burn right down to the bone.(globalsecurity.org)


Your argument is incorrect.

The properties of WP that you listed are incendiary effects.

The definition of chemical weapon describes poison effects.

It is not hair splitting to point out that fire and poison are not the same thing.
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