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7 Myths About Islam

 
 
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7 Myths About Islam

By Timothy R. Furnish

One of the few positive effects of 9/11 has been renewed American interest in Islam and the Middle East. Unfortunately, much of the information disseminated in the media about those topics is ignorant and misleading. This is unfortunate because any hope that the predominantly-Christian West and the Muslim world might transcend conflict requires that the former be accurately informed about the latter (and vice-versa, but that's an issue for another column). There are in particular seven myths about Islam and Islamic history that have been repeated so often in the media that they've achieved conventional wisdom status.

First, it is untrue that Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion. (Mormonism and Scientology also claim this, but few outside of Salt Lake City and Hollywood believe it.) As Philip Jenkins of Penn State University demonstrates in his work Christianity?-in particular Pentecostalism?-is the world's most-rapidly growing faith. Currently there are 2 billion Christians and 1.3 billion Muslims (out of a world population of 6 billion), and in the 21st century Christianity will maintain its lead, thanks to explosive growth in sub-Saharan Africa and China.

Second, despite the claims of even President Bush in a number of public statements, Islam is not solely a "religion of peace." Yes, there are verses of toleration in the Qur'an: Sura(chapter) al-Baqarah:256 says "there shall be no compulsion in religion;" Sura al-Furqan:65ff says that Allah will be merciful to those who repent and do good works; and Sura al-Nisa':19ff enjoins Muslim men to provide financially for wives and ex-wives. But verses such as these are arguably outweighed by others: Sura Anfal:12ff and Sura Muhammad:3ff command the beheading of unbelievers; Sura al-Nisa':34ff allows for beating of one's wives and in verses 74ff and 94ff, promises great reward for those who die fighting for Allah; Sura al-Ma'idah:51 says "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." Of course there are violent sections in the Bible?-or at least in the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament (Joshua and David were military leaders as much as religious ones). But no one denies that, as many?-both Muslim and non-Muslim?-deny these violent and misogynistic passages in the Qur'an. Many arguments can be made against such verses (they must be contextualized, they are applicable only to that time, they are metaphorical, etc.) but one cannot say they do not exist. Someone who simply rehashs that "the Qur'an teaches peace" obviously hasn't read it. No doubt most Muslims do not read the passages about decapitation as a blueprint for today. But just as some Christians take literally, for example, the command of to Christ handle poisonous snakes (Luke 10:19), some Muslims take literally the injunction to behead unbelievers. And the latter practice is a bit more injurious to other folks than the former.

Third on the misinformation parade is the allegation that jihad does not mean holy war. This falsehood crops up often in text books and in the media, where the politically-correct tirelessly repeat that jihad actually means only "striving to be a good Muslim." This is half-right. But early on in Islamic history, jihad came to mean fighting against unbelievers in order to expand the territory under Muslim rule. al-Bukhari lived in the 9th century CE and was the most authoritative compiler of sayings attributed to the prophet Muhammad; he mentions jihad many times as meaning "holy war." Jihad as "Muslim piety" is mainly the province of the Sufis, the mystics of Islam, and has become a minority view today. Furthermore, Islamic history is chock-full of leaders declaring jihads against their enemies?-even the moderately Muslim Ottoman Empire declared a holy war against the French, British and Russians in World War I!

Fourth is the whopper that Islam spread peacefully from Arabia, as if the followers of Muhammad went door-to-door ringing doorbells and handing out brochures. From the mid-7th century CE Muslims militarily overran regions and then pressured the conquered to convert. (Yes, Christian kingdoms did the same?-but, again, no one denies that!) Muslim Arab armies destroyed the entire Persian Empire (modern Iran), replacing its official Zoroastrian religion; about the same time they invaded the surviving Christian Roman (Byzantine) Empire and within a few decades had taken half its territory. In 732 CE a Muslim army from Morocco was in France! By 750 CE Muslims ruled from the Iberian Peninula to India. And Muslim armies would stay on the offensive for the next millennium, with only two exceptions: the "Reconquista" in Iberia and the Crusades.

The fifth tiresome myth is that the European Catholic Crusaders started the war with Islam and that for eight centuries Muslims have been brooding over the horrible injustices thereof. Actually, the Crusades, 1095-1291, were simply the first time that European Christians managed to take the fight to their enemy's territory. And besides: why are the Crusades being constantly used as a club with which to beat the West?-remember the scathing attacks on President Bush when, not long after 9/11, he referred to a "crusade" against terrorism??-when the Muslims won? Usama bin Ladin's constant references to Americans as "Crusaders" is thus a perfect marriage of historical illiteracy with keen psychological insight into his enemy's self-hate.

Another fairy tale about Islam is that poverty produces terrorists. This hoary myth tells us more about the worldview of its American adherents than it does about the ranks of the Islamists. Most of the 9/11 and London bombers were university-educated and at least middle-class. The same is true for Palestinian suicide bombers and most likely those in Iraq. Naive Americans take their domestic paradigm about poverty and crime?-that the former causes the latter?-and apply it to a context where it doesn't fit Regarding the recent London bombings, a British terrorism expert said that "socioeconomic background does not appear to [have] play[ed] a role." Poverty may be necessary, but it is hardly sufficient, to explain Islamic terrorism.

And finally, we have politically-correct mendacity number seven, which even British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently repeated: that Islam has been "hijacked" by terrorists. In this view Bin Ladin, the ayatollahs in Iran, the former Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the Saudis with their Wahhabism (a particularly puritanical brand of Sunni Islam)?-all are twisting a "moderate" religion to suit their purpose. The "Islam = peace" brigade essentializes Islam as peaceful. UBL essentializes it as jihad. Although there are Qur'an verses, and sayings of Muhammad, on both sides, many do support Bin Ladin and his ilk. Also, Islamic history is replete with Muslim scholars whom the modern Islamic fundamentalists draw upon. The most famous is Ibn Taymiyah who, 700 years before George Bush said "you're either for us or against us," divided the world into the domain of Islam and that of war. The only good ruler is a Muslim ruler, asserted Ibn Taymiyah. And by that he meant one that enforces shari`ah, or Islamic law. Most Muslims do not agree, but some do. (And only 10 percent of 1.3 billion is 130 million.) But it is no use pretending that the UBLs of the world have falsely "hijacked" Islam. Indeed, their view of the faith?-however intolerant and violent it may seem?-has a basis in Islamic theology and history.

Islam is where Christianity was before the Thirty Years War (1618-1648) and then the Enlightenment led the West to divorce religion and state, thereby removing (mostly) the threat of religious-based warfare. As a fellow monotheist with Muslims, I pray that the moderate strands within Islam win out over the more fundamentalist ones, allowing that civilization to follow suit. And for we in the West to help with that, we need to open our eyes to the reality of the harsher aspects of Islam and Islamic history. Anything else is simple?-and dangerous?-self-deception.


I never thought "call a spade a spade" was such a difficult concept. Yet with the onset of liberalism which sparked a rampant, rabid, and foolhardy rush to international/interreligious pluralism among some of the self-styled "intellectuals" - basically trying to excuse any atrocity committed by foreigners and condemn the so-called sins of the United States - has obviously fogged up the simplicity of one of the oldest survival instincts in the world: Recognize an enemy, defend yourself (or at the very least stay out of the way of those trying to defend your sorry, bleeding heart, self).

Why, oh why, Liberals, is common sense so uncommon among you?

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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 05:11 pm
This mans opinions start out sounding reasonable, but his bias becomes quite clear in the last several points he makes. And I strongly suspect that his particular ordering of his "myths" is done quite deliberately. It is a technique of deceit that one sees quite often from another Muslim hater we hear from often. But if one reads closely, both men actually refute themselves, and as I've said before, if you find yourself having to more and more depend on deceit and outright lies to make your point, then it is time to consider switching your view*.

For example, he begins to cross the line on the fifth where he makes the point that the Crusaders never started the Crusades. He suggests they are actually just responding to an invasion of the Holy Lands. True. But I'm sure it is hoped that one doesn't remember that this invasion took place several hundred years before. Certainly he isn't going to remind you. Nor the fact that since that time, Christians, Muslims and other religious groups have been living peacefully side by side. Well, as peacefully as one can expect members of the Abrahamic faiths to live. I realize that isn't saying much, but......

In 6, he becomes a more bold and his true colors are revealed (now that he has hopefully edged his way into your trust with his relatively rational start). He takes the case of the Brit bombers and attempts to equate their economic and educational status with those of the Palestinians. A demonstrable lie. In any case, he attempts to make the point that "Another fairy tale about Islam is that poverty produces terrorists" in a paragraph that concludes with the sentence, "Poverty may be necessary, but it is hardly sufficient, to explain Islamic terrorism.". Uh-hmmm..... Does he really think that those persons who have said that 'poverty breeds terrorism' mean it exclusively? Surely not, and so one is left with the conclusion that he is being deceitful.

And finally, number 7, where he tries to make the point that it's a myth that Islam isn't being "hijacked" by extremists. I'm surprised he even tried this one, certainly in the manner he did because again, he defeats his own argument. For instance, he says, "..... many do support Bin Ladin and his ilk. Also, Islamic history is replete with Muslim scholars whom the modern Islamic fundamentalists draw upon. The most famous is Ibn Taymiyah who, 700 years before George Bush said "you're either for us or against us," divided the world into the domain of Islam and that of war. The only good ruler is a Muslim ruler, asserted Ibn Taymiyah. And by that he meant one that enforces shari`ah, or Islamic law. Most Muslims do not agree, but some do. (And only 10 percent of 1.3 billion is 130 million.) But it is no use pretending that the UBLs of the world have falsely "hijacked" Islam. Indeed, their view of the faith?-however intolerant and violent it may seem?-has a basis in Islamic theology and history."
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Indeed, the same can be said of extremists whatever their faith or even ideology. His last sentence amounts to a non sequitor. In any case, one can see his attempt to sleaze the reader by taking the 10% that he has to admit to and "expanding" it mentally as "130 million". To take a chapter from his page, I'll express the number of Muslims who disagree with his 10% as 1 billion, one hundred and seventy million, or 1,170,000,000 (be sure to count those zero's!)

Laughing most of the comments on that website makes Timothy R. Furnish sound like an idiot.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 05:19 pm
So who the hell is Furnish? On the faculty of Georgia Perimeter College? I'm sure the Islamic Studies department there is quite impressive...
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Lusatian
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 07:44 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
So who the hell is Furnish? On the faculty of Georgia Perimeter College? I'm sure the Islamic Studies department there is quite impressive...


As opposed to yourself. Faculty within the Ivy League? Brown, Princeton, perhaps. Oh, that's right D'artagnan, web pundit extrodinaire.

Freedom4free, while I can understand that you do not agree with the man, but the points you bring to reject him are flimsy at best:

freedom4free wrote:
For example, he begins to cross the line on the fifth where he makes the point that the Crusaders never started the Crusades. He suggests they are actually just responding to an invasion of the Holy Lands. True. But I'm sure it is hoped that one doesn't remember that this invasion took place several hundred years before. Certainly he isn't going to remind you. Nor the fact that since that time, Christians, Muslims and other religious groups have been living peacefully side by side. Well, as peacefully as one can expect members of the Abrahamic faiths to live. I realize that isn't saying much, but......


If you reread the 5th myth, the writer in no place mentions "responding to an invasion of the Holy Land". He does say that that was the first time Europeans got around to taking the fight to the Middle East. If you are disputing that fact then you must rewrite a large portion of history to try to erase Muslim provocation, invasion, and instigation against the European states. (Think Charles Martel, Freedom). Coupled with your absurdly pedantic mention of the Hollywood-esque notion that "Christians and Muslims lived peacefully side by side" (I imagine you must have recently watched 'Kingdom of Heaven'), and I don't think you are in much of a position to try to refute.

freedom4free wrote:
And finally, number 7, where he tries to make the point that it's a myth that Islam isn't being "hijacked" by extremists. I'm surprised he even tried this one, certainly in the manner he did because again, he defeats his own argument. For instance, he says, "..... many do support Bin Ladin and his ilk. Also, Islamic history is replete with Muslim scholars whom the modern Islamic fundamentalists draw upon. The most famous is Ibn Taymiyah who, 700 years before George Bush said "you're either for us or against us," divided the world into the domain of Islam and that of war. The only good ruler is a Muslim ruler, asserted Ibn Taymiyah. And by that he meant one that enforces shari`ah, or Islamic law. Most Muslims do not agree, but some do. (And only 10 percent of 1.3 billion is 130 million.) But it is no use pretending that the UBLs of the world have falsely "hijacked" Islam. Indeed, their view of the faith?-however intolerant and violent it may seem?-has a basis in Islamic theology and history."
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Indeed, the same can be said of extremists whatever their faith or even ideology. His last sentence amounts to a non sequitor. In any case, one can see his attempt to sleaze the reader by taking the 10% that he has to admit to and "expanding" it mentally as "130 million". To take a chapter from his page, I'll express the number of Muslims who disagree with his 10% as 1 billion, one hundred and seventy million, or 1,170,000,000 (be sure to count those zero's!)


This whole point is obtuse and really kind of funny. Made even more humorous by your mention of the writer committing a non sequitur. I can't tell if you are making a point, or just regurgitating his speech, forgot to include your point and then decided to include a retarded reference to some illogical mathematic counter. Perhaps you should consider rewriting that whole post. Just a thought.

P.S. What's with the "freedom4free" name? You are either trying incredibly hard to be an "anti-patriot" (a bit of an attempt to self-define), or you just foolishly believe that it is internauts like you who keep the war from your shores, the drugs from your neighborhoods, the looters from your disaster zones, the beheading terrorists from your safely blogging self.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2005 09:18 pm
Geez, all religions are bogus.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 05:51 am
talk72000 wrote:
Geez, all religions are bogus.


Religions convey Peace but paradox is they are the greatest weapons of mankind ....... against each other

Watch Crusades on Discovery Channel this week.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 06:58 am
I thought Timothy Furnish's piece was quite interesting. It seems obvious to me that there are passages within the Koran that exhort people to violence. And as Islam IS the Koran, Islam is or can be violent. But the real problem is that as Furnish says Islam has never had a reformation or been subject to the sort of changes that the Englightenment brought to Christian Europe. Its stuck in a medieval literal world of muslim v non muslim harram v halal, good v bad. No devout muslim ever reads the koran in an allegorical sense it seems to me.

But while it is foolish to deny the links between Islam and violence, it is equally foolish to draw from this the conclusion that Islam causes terrorism. The sort of terrorist outrages we have seen in London and New York are not brought about by excessive reading of the Koran. There are other factors in play as well. In palestine its economic deprivation and oppression of the Palestinians (who are muslims) by the Israelis. In new York it was a reaction against US foreign policy, and in London it was even more specific, revenge for Britain's support in the invasion of Iraq. What I am saying is that religion might give ulitmate justification to the perpetrator of violence (and reward in the hereafter) but it is not itself its root cause. I dont believe for one moment that the muslims are determined to impose sharia law over the whole world, and that we are just seeing a continuation of a clash of religions that started 1400 years ago. What the muslims actually want is just to be left alone in their own countries to run their lives as they want, and in particular they want an end to Western meddling. Again the real reasons for terrorism are much prosaic than religious ideals. We the west have been interferring in the middle east for the last century. We have drawn and re drawn country boundaries, toppled the Ottoman empire, installed shieks and potentates, staged coup d'etats, revolutions, counter revolutions, you name it we've done it....and all because the Muslims are sitting on huge reserves of petroleum...on which we are dependent. That is ultimately whats driving it all and its impossible to understand whats going on in the world today without putting it against that back drop.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 07:56 am
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But while it is foolish to deny the links between Islam and violence, it is equally foolish to draw from this the conclusion that Islam causes terrorism. The sort of terrorist outrages we have seen in London and New York are not brought about by excessive reading of the Koran. There are other factors in play as well. In palestine its economic deprivation and oppression of the Palestinians (who are muslims) by the Israelis. In new York it was a reaction against US foreign policy, and in London it was even more specific, revenge for Britain's support in the invasion of Iraq. What I am saying is that religion might give ulitmate justification to the perpetrator of violence (and reward in the hereafter) but it is not itself its root cause. I dont believe for one moment that the muslims are determined to impose sharia law over the whole world, and that we are just seeing a continuation of a clash of religions that started 1400 years ago. What the muslims actually want is just to be left alone in their own countries to run their lives as they want, and in particular they want an end to Western meddling. Again the real reasons for terrorism are much prosaic than religious ideals. We the west have been interferring in the middle east for the last century. We have drawn and re drawn country boundaries, toppled the Ottoman empire, installed shieks and potentates, staged coup d'etats, revolutions, counter revolutions, you name it we've done it....and all because the Muslims are sitting on huge reserves of petroleum...on which we are dependent. That is ultimately whats driving it all and its impossible to understand whats going on in the world today without putting it against that back drop.


Wow, a great post, straight down to the point, i completely agree with you Steve, iam really impressed. Very Happy
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 08:55 am
Interesting that the folks rebuilding Iraq have found #6 to be true, however. Restore water and electricity and suddenly the number of insurgent attacks are severely reduced.

I also wonder what conclusions someone could draw about Christianity from studying only the text of the Old and New Testaments.

But don't let me keep you from your hate-fest.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 08:57 am
thanks

i do try sometimes
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 10:42 am
I dont think anyone is indulging in a hate fest DD. Not me anyway. Having said that I dont see why I should have to like any particular religion, or even afford them all equal respect.

Some African peoples still indulge in cannibalism. If thats their religion do I have to afford it the same respect as Islam or Christianity? Or am I allowed to say I find it disgusting?

I think teaching creationism as fact to impressionable young minds is a form of child abuse, and I find that and the religious ideas that surrounds it equally repellent.

Not all religions are the same and not all deserve the same respect in my view.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 10:42 am
damn meant to elaborate on OIL

here ya go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1636919,00.html?gusrc=rss
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 11:16 am
Lusatian wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
So who the hell is Furnish? On the faculty of Georgia Perimeter College? I'm sure the Islamic Studies department there is quite impressive...

As opposed to yourself. Faculty within the Ivy League? Brown, Princeton, perhaps. Oh, that's right D'artagnan, web pundit extrodinaire.


No, I'm not on an Ivy League faculty. But I do know the difference between a legitimate source and finding someone/anyone who wrote something I can agree with, even if that person is from an institution I've never heard of.

BTW, your hostility on this thread toward those you don't agree with is palpable...
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 11:21 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I dont think anyone is indulging in a hate fest DD. Not me anyway.

I was referring to Lusatian. He practically froths whenever they're late with his medication.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 11:38 am
DrewDad wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I dont think anyone is indulging in a hate fest DD. Not me anyway.

I was referring to Lusatian. He practically froths whenever they're late with his medication.


ok Smile
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 03:38 pm
hmmm interesting post schlock7

you said

"I think you're being somewhat naive to believe they will stop terrorism if we simply get out of their country."

....but of course that's not going to happen is it? Not while they are sitting on the oil and gas we need.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 03:58 pm
Communists wanted to take over the world too, but they were successfully contained and then converted.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 04:00 pm
into what?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 04:06 pm
Mobsters.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 04:13 pm
The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside

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Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart?

In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares.

The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares.

In a new series, the Power of Nightmares explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion.

It is a myth that has spread unquestioned through politics, the security services and the international media.

At the heart of the story are two groups: the American neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists.

Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world.

These two groups have changed the world but not in the way either intended.

Together they created today's nightmare vision of an organised terror network.

A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. Those with the darkest fears became the most powerful.

The rise of the politics of fear begins in 1949 with two men whose radical ideas would inspire the attack of 9/11 and influence the neo-conservative movement that dominates Washington.

Both these men believed that modern liberal freedoms were eroding the bonds that held society together.

The two movements they inspired set out, in their different ways, to rescue their societies from this decay. But in an age of growing disillusion with politics, the neo-conservatives turned to fear in order to pursue their vision.

They would create a hidden network of evil run by the Soviet Union that only they could see.

The Islamists were faced by the refusal of the masses to follow their dream and began to turn to terror to force the people to "see the truth"'.


THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES
Three part series

I: Baby It's Cold Outside
II: The Phantom Victory
III: The Shadows In The Cave

BBC News
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