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misunderstandings about Catholicism

 
 
daniellejean
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 12:36 pm
good point questioner.

Neologist, are you saying you don't believe in the trinity.

Setana, this thread was originally started not to bash other Christians, but in order to show that we are more similar than people think and that battle lines should not be drawn based on the fact that one group kneels and says the Hail Mary, and another group does not. The original point of the thread was to find similarities: that all Christians believe in the same Jesus. However, as you aptly observe, this topic has turned into something else entirely.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 02:26 pm
daniellejean wrote:
good point questioner.

Neologist, are you saying you don't believe in the trinity.
There is a fairly good discussion of the trinity here: http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51117

I posted it earlier on this thread: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1642593#1642593

A famous historian once said:
Will Durant wrote:
Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it.


Durant was a Catholic and it didn't bother him.

But it's why I will never again set foot in the church.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 11:17 pm
Actually some of the practices ordained by the Catholic Church are downright gross:

From this link: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BOLIVIA_SKULLS?SITE=VAROA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

FIONA SMITH Associated Press Writer wrote:
Nov 8, 3:26 PM EST

Bolivians Honor Skull-Toting Tradition

LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) -- It's a tradition people outside Bolivia might find creepy: families perch human skulls on altars, revering them and asking them for protection and good luck. On Tuesday, the skulls were gussied up and taken to cemeteries, where the families crowned them with flowers and filled their jaws with lit cigarettes.

The chapel in La Paz's main cemetery was filled with hundreds of people jockeying to get their skull, or "natita," in a good position for a special annual Mass. Thousands more people gathered outside.

"I was scared of them at first, but now I realize I was scared because I wasn't taking care of them," said Shirley Vargas, who brought two skulls, who she calls Vicente and Maria, to the Mass. "Now I keep them in my room with me. I love them a lot, and they have helped our family when we've had problems."

Milton Eyzaguirre, an anthropologist, said Bolivians are now more willing to bring out their skulls than before.

"People are bringing back the idea that we're not separated from the dead ... but that life and death are always connected," said Eyzaguirre, a curator at La Paz's Museum of Ethnography and Folklore.

The tradition reflects the force of pre-Hispanic belief in this poor country whose population is majority Indian; the Roman Catholic Church has chosen to recognize this and other non-Catholic traditions as a way of retaining its own influence.

On Tuesday, people of all ages entered the chapel carrying skulls in fancy glass boxes or on silver platters. Others used plastic bags, shoe boxes or baskets. Most of the skulls were decorated with bright knit caps, cotton wool in the eyes and crowns of red roses and hydrangeas.

Vargas said she got her skulls from a medical student. She believes they helped her father recover from a chronic back problem.

The ancient Andean belief is that people have seven souls, and one of them stays with the skull, Eyzaguirre said. This soul has the power to visit people in their dreams and provide protection.

Eyzaguirre said he began believing in the skulls when a building at the museum collapsed, killing four construction workers, after he moved out some skulls without a proper ceremony. The museum staff held a ceremony, offering food and drink, and he's had no problems since, the curator said.

Some Bolivians also credit the skulls for success in business and with family.

Rubita Montano believes her natita helped her recover $4,000 in stolen money. On Tuesday, she sat in a grassy patch in the cemetery and handed bags of coca leaves to strangers who prayed to the skull, named Tatiana Dumas.

Montano said she bought the skull at a cemetery. It's common for cemetery workers to take skulls from graves when relatives either abandon their dead or stop paying cemetery bills, said Eyzaguirre. The practice isn't legal, but officials turn a blind eye to it.

"She's like a daughter or a sister in my house," said Montano as she chewed coca leaves and arranged lit cigarettes in the skull's mouth.

Others, like Viviana Martinez, use the skulls of relatives. "This is my cousin Juan Jose. I've had him for 30 years and he helps me with everything," Martinez said.

The Rev. Jaime Fernandez, who has given a Mass for the skulls for 10 years, acknowledges the challenge of reconciling Catholic teachings with this ancient Indian belief. "I use my time today to teach them Christian values and symbols, but I have to watch what I say or the people will get upset," he said.



Somehow I can't imagine God approving. . .
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daniellejean
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2005 06:05 am
Neologist, you're taking outliers - practices outside the norm - and using them to justify your opinion about Catholics. My point throughout this is that I do not think that the majority of Catholics are that different from other Christians.
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