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Conversion of Hindus to christians and vice-versa

 
 
Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 11:06 pm
A Hindu Devotee:
The conversion of one religion to another religion is frequently happening
Between Hinduism and Christianity, what are the reasons for this?

Swami: Hinduism is a mother religion and Buddhism is its off spring.
Similarly, Islam is a mother religion and Christianity is its off spring.

Buddhism went out of India crossing the borders and thus
Hinduism is the mother without its child, Islam does not allow
Christianity to come near and thus it is a child devoid of its mother's love.
Therefore, both Hinduism and Christianity are intensively and quickly
Attracted to each other, Swami Vivekananda was appreciated by Christians
In the Chicago city and you can find lot of Hindus in India are converted
Into Christianity, this shows that there is a special attraction between these two.
Jesus left His native place when He was Sixteen years old and moved in Himalayas.
There is a hill called "Tekate Town" in Kashmir, which means the place where
God lived, on this hill Jesus did long penance for fourteen years, then only
He went to His native place and performed all the miracles and preached
The divine knowledge there, He was crucified when He was thirty two years old.
On Crucification He did not die and for this the evidence is that when a soldier
Pierced His stomach with his weapon, blood came out and the soldier thought that
Jesus died but he did not know that blood will not come out from dead body.
When the body of Jesus was placed in the cave, He was in the state of Samadhi.
He became conscious on the third day and this is possible for His super power.
Jesus told that He will destroy the church and raise it in three days.
People took this statement in external sense and charged Him for this.
The internal meaning of Jesus was different, church means His own body.
That statement indicates that He will be alive in three days after crucification.
Thus Jesus always spoke in symbolic language and with figures of speech.
He was a great Scholar and when such a great divine Scholar speaks
We should not take the words in the external sense as if He was an ordinary man.
Similarly, when He told that Jesus will come again, it means that this type of
Human incarnation or God in Flesh will come again, similarly, when He spoke
The word father, it means the creator or God and not His father, Joseph.
Similarly, Shirdi Sai Baba died and doctors examined thoroughly and declared
That Baba was dead, Baba was in Samadhi for three days in the same state.
On third day Baba came back alive and this is exactly a similar incident.
From the cave Jesus walked out and met all His disciples with the same body.
Thomas doubted and touched the wounds of the hands also for a proof.
From there Jesus reached Kashmir and frequently toured all over India.
He was holding spiritual discussions with Hindu preachers frequently.
When He met a king called Salivahana in India, the king asked Him about Him.
He replied that He was the son of the Lord and was born to a virgin, He told that
He propagated spiritual knowledge among Muslims, You should remember that
The word Christianity came only after Him, this reply given by Him was recorded
In the ?'Bhavishya Purana' written by Sage Vyasa about the future history.
Vyasa wrote this about five thousand years back in the time of Dwapara Yuga.
The actual Sanskrit verse written by Vyasa was "Esa putramcha Mam viddhi
Kumari Garbha Sambhavam, Mlechcha Dharmasya Vaktaram",
Thus Jesus was almost a Hindu and He was amalgamated with Hinduism.
Jesus lived up to the age of eighty five years and His burial tomb is present
In Kashmir on which the word Jesus Christ was written in Hebrew language.

If you utter the words Christ and Krishna, don't you feel a similar sound?
That similar sound is the common God present in both, only Flesh differed.
Both were born as Shepard or cowboy, in both cases the evil king tried
To kill this divine boy and children born on that day were killed in both cases.
Both tried to change the evil people by taking lot of strain in preaching.
Krishna tried His maximum to preach Duryodhana to avoid the battle.
Only as a last resort the Kauravas were killed and miracle was shown
By Krishna to Duryodhana, which was the divine vision of Viswarupam.
Similarly, Jesus tried to preach the evil priests by showing several miracles.
But they did not listen and were finally thrown into the permanent hell.
In both cases death was similar, Christ died by nailing of the feet and hands
Krishna died by the sharp arrow that was shot on His foot.
In both cases the divine blood came out, thus Krishna is almost a Christian.
In philosophies of both Hinduism and Christianity similarities clearly exist.
The Hindu philosophy was constituted by three preachers who are called as
Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva, who founded the three doctrines in Hinduism.
The Advaita philosophy of Shankara says that the Human body while God exists in it
Should be treated as God Himself like the alive wire is treated as current itself.
This concept is reflected when Jesus says the He and His father are one and the same.
The second Visishtaadvaita Philosophy of Ramanuja says that God is the complete
Main item and the human incarnation is a part of God, this relationship
Was called as "Sesha-Seshi Sambandha", this reflects when Jesus says that
He was son and the God was His father, the father and son are different people,
But they are related by the same blood, the third philosophy of Madhva is Dvaita
Which says that the human incarnation is a messenger and God is His master
This gives the relationship of Master and Servant, this is again reflected
When Jesus said that He was a messenger sent by God and in fact this
Line of Philosophy is exactly Islam, Jesus would have remained as the messenger
In the Islam Religion, had He limited Himself to Master-Servant relationship only.
Then Christianity could not have been born but Jesus climbed the other two steps also
And stated that He was the son of the Father and that He was the father Himself.
In Hinduism these three philosophies already existed in Vedas and Gita.
The three preachers came and just brought out those existing philosophies.
When you can translate the philosophy of Jesus from Hebrew Language to English,
Can't you translate the external form of Jesus into other divine forms of
Other religions? In translating the Bible from Hebrew to English, only
The meaning is transferred but not the external language, similarly, when God
Comes in another human incarnation, the inner knowledge form called as God
Only is transferred and the external flesh form is not carried on.
As you translate the words of Jesus from His mother tongue into another language,
You also translate the God present in that Flesh into another Flesh.
Don't bother about the external language like form, concentrate on the
Inner meaning like God, if you cannot recognize the same God in another
Human incarnation and if you are rigid that Flesh by name Jesus was the only God,
I imagine the similar situation, one says that the Bible in the Hebrew language
Is only the Bible and the Bible in English language is not at all the Bible.
Similarly, Krishna is Sanskrit language and Jesus is Hebrew language.
The common God present in both is the same meaning of Gita and Bible.

Therefore, Hindus should not be worried if Hindus are converted into Christians.
Similarly, Christians should not be worried if Christians are converted into Hindus.
Christianity and Hinduism are the two portions of a single room partitioned by
A weak wooden board, and this board is nothing but the difference in the culture,
Language and civilization only, both these religions are a single room temporarily
Partitioned by a wooden board and that single room is in the house of our
Universal Spirituality, a Hindu should not be worried even if all the people in the
World are converted into Christians and a Christian should not worry even if all
The Christians are converted into Hindus, both are twins born at a time.
Even if you are converting, what is that you have converted? Tell Me after analysis.
You have only converted the external culture, civilization and language.
The internal substance is exactly one and same, Gita is a translation of Bible
From English to Sanskrit and Bible is a translation of Gita from Sanskrit to English.
Will there be any difference in the meanings of two translated books? Similarly,
Krishna and Jesus are two roles in two dramas in which a single actor, God, exists.
There is one God and one Scripture only for Hindus and Christians if they open eyes.
Don't give value to the external form and language but give the entire value to the
Internal sanctifying power, which is called as God, This God is called as
Brahman by Hindus and Jehovah by Christians, the Holy spirit of Christians
Is nothing but the super power of knowledge, love and sacrifice
Called as Maya by Hindus, when you convert a Hindu into a Christian, He had changed
Just his name, dress, language, food habits, culture and civilization only.
The converted Christian believes Jesus as God in Flesh but he already believed
Krishna as God in Flesh in Hinduism, no change in the concept.
Thus there need not be any anxiety in the conversions, which is foolishness only.
You are only changing the external vessel but the medicine is one and the same.
Both Hindus and Christians should be worried if a theist is converted into
Atheist, then he has gone out of our house of Universal Spirituality.
In whatever religion one may be present he is in the same house only.
When a Christian helps a poor Hindu, He should feel that he has helped
A poor theist, the Hindu need not become Christian for his financial help.
If you are helping a beggar you are helping based on his poverty.
Will any body ask the beggar to change his name and dress for help?
When you say that your God created the entire Universe, all the human beings
In all the countries are naturally your brothers only, help your brother.
If your conversions are aimed on political views, I discard all of you.
Jesus discarded a revolutionist when he approached Jesus on political basis.
He thought that the new kingdom of Jesus means the independent country
Liberated from the Roman Rule, but the kingdom of Jesus means the rule of
God on this earth, which is underlying the rule of any party in any country.
If conversions mean the increase in the number of Christians or Hindus
As in the case of the politicians, whose lives are based on the number of legislatures
Of the Assembly only, in that case I give a permanent farewell to both
Hinduism and Christianity, you are thinking about the number to be
The greatness of a religion but Jesus told that He will be present where
Two or three people assemble, He stated that His path is very narrow and
Only one or two people will be travelling in it, He also stated that the path leading
To the hell has a big majority; similarly, Krishna told in Gita that one in millions
Can only know Him really and further stated that a real devotee should not be
Liking a big crowd in the spiritual effort, this means that both want minority only.
What is the use of millions of stones? A few diamonds are far valuable.
The people who cannot follow the inner spiritual knowledge of Bible and Gita
Think to change from one religion to the other, but the same knowledge exists in both.
One student feels difficult in studying a standard in a particular school
And wants to change the school but he has to enter in same standard there also.
One school is in Hindi medium and the other school is in English Medium.
Only the languages are different but the standard of the syllabus is same.
In fact the student should be de-promoted to the lower class and both the schools
Contain all the standards and thus no need of changing the school.
He must try to increase his standard in his own school and mere change
In the language will not solve the problem of the student in any way.
The poor Hindus are converted into Christianity attracted by financial aid.
The Christian rich people are very generous and kind hearted always.
They are broad-minded also because they give funds even to Hindu spiritual
Centres like Ramakrishna Mission etc., the West is famous for practical sacrifice
And practical generosity, which is the real essence of the spiritual knowledge.
This is called as Karma Phala Tyaga in Gita, which means sacrifice of fruit of work
Which is money and the East must learn this practical aspect from the West.
Let the rich Indians become generous and sacrifice the fruit of the work
To their fellow-Hindus who are poor, then the conversions are arrested.
Neither you donate nor allow the poor to get aid from others! Very Great!!
But the Western people also must learn from Indians or East
In one point that is the deep logical analysis of any point before acceptance.
The Western people are generally emotional and lack the deep analysis.
Hindus are very famous in the logical analysis and the meta-physics
Developed in India is an ocean, thus the Western Christians should learn
The theoretical philosophy, which consists of deep logical analysis.
Before arriving at any conclusion, conclusion should not be blind based
And emotional, thus both should exchange theoretical and practical aspects
And both should become complete in both the fields, Christians and Hindus
Are two students of a single teacher, Christian is good in Physics, which is practical
Hindu is good in Mathematics, which is purely theoretical, the teacher wishes
That both His students help each other so that each becomes good in both subjects.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 07:23 am
Re: Conversion of Hindus to christians and vice-versa
dattaswami wrote:
A Hindu Devotee:
The conversion of one religion to another religion is frequently happening
Between Hinduism and Christianity, what are the reasons for this?

Swami: Hinduism is a mother religion and Buddhism is its off spring.
Similarly, Islam is a mother religion and Christianity is its off spring.


I just wanted to tell you that Islam is not a mother religion and Christianity is definitely not its offspring. Judaism is the "mother religion" and both Christianity and Islam are its offspring.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:02 am
Ain't dat da truth?
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AliceInWonderland
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:41 am
dattaswami - Okay, can we stop with the mega cut/pastes here? Is there some point you would like to discuss, or shall we continue to ignore your posts?
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Bob Lablob
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 07:17 pm
I'd like to convert to gas but I'm not sure how.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 07:23 pm
Bob - don't convert to gas, get a geo-thermal heat pump. California is offering tax rebates on the conversion.

Dattaswami - do you have any cliff notes I could read?
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dattaswami
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 12:09 am
The scholars of Islam say that they have 42 prophets. 41st was Jesus and 42nd was Mohammed. Therefore even before Jesus Islam exists according to them. You called that Islam as Judaism only . Only names are different. The concept is that Islam and Christianity are branches of the same stem called Judaism or if Islam and Judaism constitute the stem Christianity is the single branch of that stem. and the differences of opinion is only in terminology. I have written based only on the version of the scholars of Islam who say that the present Islam and the old Judaism are one and the same under one name, is called Islam
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