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Greenland really should be worried!

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 01:41 pm
All this news reminds me of an episode from my time in the navy.
But you don't have to read it.

We cleared mines in the German Bight because the so-called “DB route” (later the traffic separation scheme “Terschelling-German Bight”) was to be widened.

A German frigate was following a Russian spy trawler, but reported engine trouble and our boat was sent as a replacement.

We followed the trawler along the English coast; rumour had it that the Royal Navy did not have any units available to relieve us at that moment.
We then went around Scotland – still no English replacement. And I had to navigate using larger-scale maps.

Then Iceland was abeam port side, the trawler set course for Greenland and fiddled with the navigation. But in the end we were replaced by an English frigate.


Every morning, “outdoor gymnastics” was on the agenda on the trawler. So I not only had to photograph the ship for work, but also had the opportunity to capture parts of the crew on film – between 93 and 98 people were on deck. (Our third watch officer, a reservist, once played “The Internationale” over the loudspeakers in the morning – the commander found it funny, but not good).


https://i.imgur.com/519gqYbl.png
Picture of the trawler converted to SSV [Sudno Svyazyy = Communications Vessel] electronic surveillance ships.

Back to the topic ...
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Carpetbagger
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 03:08 pm
@hightor,
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Jane Smiley wrote a pretty good novel about the final Norse settlements on the island as the island reverted to a much colder climate. It was covered with boreal forests 40 -50 million years ago, but that was before any human settlement that we know of.


They also say that things like the Bubonic plague that really hit Europe hard in the 1300s barely (if even at all) affected Greenland. To me that is kind of cool. It was like Europe that was the UnEurope. But man, living conditions were harsh.

Do you know anything — being kind of entuned with the Vikings and history, if the Saint Hilda myths and stories are limited only to the mainland Europe or did they pervade in the Scandinavian areas, such as Iceland or Greenland? I think Marco Rubio should be King of Greenland. Make him an honorary viking, I just know that I would like to literally avoid places where your blood freezes after just ten minutes being out doors.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 05:29 am
What Happens the Moment the U.S Touches Greenland

Brent Molnar wrote:
If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don't just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald's, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The "blue passport" that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say "my bad" four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can't even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 05:32 am
@Carpetbagger,
Carpetbagger wrote:
I think Marco Rubio should be King of Greenland.


And I think he should be gutted and fed to the pig that birthed him.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 05:37 am
@hightor,
On the bright side, we'd be able to get shot of Ellen Degeneres.

(That's probably more bad news for America.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 08:13 am
Huge 'Hands off Greenland' rallies have been organised in Copenhagen, Aarhus, Aalborg, Odense and Nuuk.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 08:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/RLiWgGKl.png

"It's enough" - you can get this and more from a Greenland US online shop.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 10:57 am
Trump says eight European countries - Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland - face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland.

Posting on Truth Social, the US president said:
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We have subsidized Denmark, and all of the Countries of the European Union, and others, for many years by not charging them Tariffs, or any other forms of remuneration. Now, after Centuries, it is time for Denmark to give back — World Peace is at stake!


Ten per cent from 1 February, Trump explained. From 1 June, tariffs are set to rise to 25 per cent if no agreement is reached on a complete US purchase of the island.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2026 12:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,

Attentive observers will surely have noticed that the new tariffs are aimed precisely at those countries that have just sent soldiers to Greenland for a NATO (sic!) geographic/maritime etc reconnaissance mission (Germany is participating with 15 soldiers).
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 01:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

A - said to be - joking remark by US Ambassador-designate Billy Long has caused a stir in Iceland.
Long had suggested that Iceland could become the 52nd US state and that he could become its governor, which has caused discontent given the tense diplomatic situation between the US and Denmark.

A petition is now calling for his appointment to be rejected.

Signatures collected against new ambassador to Iceland



This is utterly outrageous, if my parents and grandparents knew they would be in terrible wars so that a moron and his minion of mini-morons could sit back like frigging lazy pirates to steal the rest of the world......they would have just frigging killed Trumps coward Grandfather.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 03:13 am
Ambassadors from the European Union’s 27 countries will convene on Sunday for an emergency meeting after US president Donald Trump vowed a wave of increasing tariffs on European allies until the United States is allowed to buy Greenland.

Cyprus, which holds the six-month rotating EU presidency, said late on Saturday that it had called the meeting for Sunday. EU diplomats said it was set to start at 17:00 h (16:00 h GMT).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 06:36 am
It is not often that British opposition leader Kemi Badenoch says, ‘I agree with Keir Starmer.’ Without adding, ‘Yes, but...’

In Westminster, this is almost a minor constitutional breach. After all, Badenoch is the leader of the Conservative Party and Starmer is the Labour Party leader. In the United Kingdom, the government and the opposition usually argue like cats and dogs. They are not supposed to agree. If they do, something bigger than party politics must have happened.

And indeed, US President Donald Trump is threatening Europeans with punitive tariffs because he is not getting Greenland.

What sounds like a grotesque footnote in the history of presidential whims is a tangible attack on the architecture of world trade. In this logic, tariffs are not a regulatory instrument, but a thumb screw: tighten today, loosen tomorrow, depending on the mood in the Oval Office. But that is not how the global economic order works.

A real estate company does not buy a huge ice floe for billions just to pick a fight with all its neighbours. It secures a local presence. And that is exactly what the US already has: no one is stopping Washington from establishing new military bases in Greenland. During the Cold War, around 6,000 American soldiers were stationed there; today, there are just 150.

So the deal is obvious: the US does not need to own Greenland. It already has access – without purchase costs, without lease, without diplomatic concessions. A security policy right of use at no cost.
(A shortened, slightly redacted and translated Spiegel opinion)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 08:17 am
An astonishing side effect of Trump's Greenland plans is the break with extreme right-wing parties in Europe. For example, France's Rassemblement National, Germany's AfD and British right-wing populist Nigel Farage all opposed calls from the MAGA camp to take Greenland.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 08:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Germany and the other European countries affected have rejected US President Donald Trump's threat of special tariffs in the Greenland conflict.

"As members of NATO, we ‍are committed to strengthening Arctic ​security as a shared transatlantic interest," Denmark, Finland, France, ‌Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden ‍and Britain said in the statement.
"Tariff threats undermine transatlantic relations and carry the risk of escalation."

European nations targeted by Trump 'stand united' over Greenland tariffs threat
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2026 08:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, who has tried to position himself as a bridge between Trump’s Washington and Europe, used some of his strongest language to date to condemn the president’s threats. “Applying tariffs on allies for pursuing the collective security of NATO allies is completely wrong,” he said in a statement Saturday.

While the German government issued a muted statement promising to coordinate a response with European allies, Finance Minister Lars Klingbeil said Sunday: “We will not be blackmailed.” Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, who is considered one of Trump’s closest allies in Europe, described the tariffs as “an error.”

Because the European Union is a single trading and customs bloc, the imposition of tariffs against some would effectively mean tariffs on all 27 nations, European officials said.

The scope of Europe’s response will be a key test for its diplomats as they balance the need to stand up for European sovereignty, manage delicate relationships with Washington and consider political and economic pressures at home. Cyprus, which holds the rotating presidency of the Council of the E.U., said European ambassadors will convene Sunday afternoon in Brussels to discuss next steps.

“European leaders including the UK have tried not to provoke Trump,” Bronwen Maddox, director of London’s Chatham House think tank, said in a text message Sunday. “But this is such an offense against their principle and interests that they will stand up to say so and may hit back with sanctions, too.”

The threat to grab a sovereign territory of Denmark against its will risks fundamentally breaking the NATO defense alliance, which European diplomats said would divide the West and embolden Moscow and Beijing. “China and Russia must be having a field day. They are the ones who benefit from divisions among Allies,” Kaja Kallas, the E.U.’s top diplomat, said Saturday.

On Monday, Danish Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen and Greenlandic Foreign Minister Vivian Motzfeldt are scheduled to visit NATO’s headquarters in Brussels for a preplanned meeting with Secretary General Mark Rutte.
WP
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