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Greenland really should be worried!

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2026 02:52 pm
An Economist-YouGov poll published Tuesday found wide opposition to attempts to take Greenland under U.S. control through military action or through payments to Greenlanders, with more than two-thirds of Americans against both ideas.

The poll found little support even among people who identified as Trump voters, with just 30 percent saying they were in favor of paying Greenlanders and 17 percent in favour of military action.

YouGov: Very few Americans want the U.S. to seize Greenland or pay its residents to secede
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2026 06:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
"fundamental difference of opinion"

Congratulations, Walt. You have just mastered the art of understatement.
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2026 07:14 pm
Trump Is Risking a Global Catastrophe

His irrational fixation on Greenland could lead to widespread conflict.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 02:12 am
@hightor,
‘At Denmark's invitation, Germany will join other European nations in an expedition to Greenland from 15 to 17 January 2026.’ At Denmark's invitation, not within the framework of NATO, which is an important distinction, as this would be virtually impossible with the United States at present.

At the same time, this sends a clear signal to the United States that it would ultimately have to take military action against its own allies. The aim is to show solidarity in Europe, alongside Denmark, against the threats. And to demonstrate that NATO territory is being protected against the danger of Russian or Chinese infiltration, as alleged by Washington.

The aim is ‘to explore the framework conditions for possible military contributions to support Denmark in ensuring security in the region, for example for maritime surveillance capabilities,’ according to the Ministry of Defence. The signal is clear: we stand alongside Denmark, borders must not be shifted by force, and the law of the strongest must not replace the strength of the law. And: depending on the situation, this could be the beginning of a much larger mission.

It is a response to the threatening gestures of US President Donald Trump.
Bundeswehr press release (in German)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 02:18 am
The EU must be more robust in order to stem the tide of international disorder, or it risks falling to authoritarian imperialism

Whether or not Trump invades Greenland, this much is clear: the western order we once knew is history (Opinion @ The Guardian)

hightor
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 04:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
"Whether or not Trump invades Greenland, this much is clear: the western order we once knew is history."

It's pretty amazing that NATO, while not perfect, pretty much held together for as long as it did. But even more amazing is that this once rock solid alliance, dedicated to international cooperation and mutual defense in recognition of shared values, would be destroyed from within, essentially by one man. For what? Apparently simply hegemony and greed. As if nothing were learned from our experience over the entire span of human history.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 05:35 am
@roger,
Your president still wants to conquer Greenland. The rhetoric behind closed doors does not differ from Trump's public threats.

That is one important insight from the meeting. The other is that there was no scandal.
Instead of a dressing-down from Vance or even an escalation, this unofficial Greenland summit ended with the establishment of a joint working group.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 08:27 am
An article by Malu Rosing, a Greenlandic writer and an Arctic adviser at the International Work Group for Indigenous Affairs, @ The Guardian

Here in Greenland we are scared, but certain of one thing: our home is not for sale
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The year has started out in familiar fashion for Kalaallit – the people of Greenland. The US president has once again threatened to take control of the world’s biggest island, just like he did back in 2019 and in 2024/25. Yet it feels different this time.

This time it seems as if there are more concrete plans being shaped within the Trump administration to annex Greenland. Trump wants to “take” it “whether they like it or not”, as he stated at a recent White House press conference. And the only option he seems to be offering currently is to do it “either the nice way or the more difficult way” – whatever that means. These are obviously plans for the forceful theft of Indigenous land and a self-governing territory; they are loud threats against our democracy – threats that are coming directly from the US president, again and again, through the media. That is scary. And the Greenlandic people do not feel safe.

A diplomatic conversation finally took place on Wednesday. The foreign ministers of Greenland and Denmark, Vivian Motzfeldt and Lars Løkke Rasmussen, and the US secretary of state, Marco Rubio, met in Washington DC, with the US vice-president, JD Vance, as host. That’s the same JD Vance who tried to set up an official visit to Greenland with his wife in March last year, but was turned away by Kalaallit and ended up only visiting the US military base at Pituffik. The one who has been very vocal about his dissatisfaction with the EU and Denmark’s efforts in the Arctic. As you can imagine, this became the basis for a great deal of unease for Kalaallit, and everyone seemed to be holding their breath while waiting for some kind of clarity on what was in store for the future of Greenland as this historic meeting was happening.

After about an hour at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, where the meeting was being held, the Greenlandic and Danish foreign ministers came out, lit a cigarette each, and had a chat before returning to the Danish embassy. It was an unexpected and surprisingly calming reaction that was noticed across the Kingdom of Denmark.

Later came the Greenlandic/Danish press conference, where Motzfeldt and Rasmussen announced that the US position hadn’t changed and that they had agreed to disagree. It was not a very satisfying statement. However, they also said that it had been agreed to establish a high-level working group to try to find a solution and accommodate some of the concerns the US president had expressed, regarding Arctic security. They added that they had also seized this opportunity to go against the untrue narratives about the Kingdom of Denmark that the US has been pushing lately, and Motzfeldt had once again stated that Greenland does not want to become part of the US, but that this was a good opportunity to strengthen cooperation as allies. And I think most importantly she reported that the meeting had been characterised by a sense of mutual respect and a willingness to agree to meet further down the diplomatic road.

Wednesday’s developments have created a brief moment to take a deep breath. But it is far from over. During the meeting, the White House posted a picture on X, showing two Greenlandic dog sleds having to make a choice between the sunny US or the stormy China and Russia (it also riffs on the “Which way western man?” meme, which is prominent in far-right subcultures). And Donald Trump stated, once again, that the US needed to take control of Greenland for security reasons. This unpredictability is scaring a lot of people – some are starting to prep in case of a US invasion; others are starting to consider emigrating. But for now, everyday life goes on.

There is much speculation as to why Trump wants Greenland so much. Some say it is to get free access to the rare earth minerals, as Greenland has very strict laws on mining and extraction. Others claim that it is for national and international security. However, the US already has a military base in Greenland and would be able to expand its military presence through the 1951 Greenland Defence Agreement if it wanted to. Plus, Denmark has recently increased its spending on security in the Arctic and Nato secretary-general Mark Rutte finally revealed earlier this week that the alliance is working on strengthening security in the Arctic. Rutte had previously been criticised for his noticeable silence on this issue.

Lastly for Trump, ownership is “psychologically needed for success”, because “ownership gives you things and elements that you can’t get from just signing a document”. The truth is, we can only guess what the reasoning behind this madness is.

Trump has said that the US will treat Greenlanders well. I doubt that will be the case. Because we also know that the president has a tendency to lie.

There is great pressure on the Greenlandic people. We are constantly worrying whether our country will be taken by military force. We follow the news intently in fear of new threats. All eyes seem to be on us right now. We need to be clear: Greenland is not for sale.

For a while, Greenland has been a warning sign to the rest of the world as to what to expect with the climate crisis, and unfortunately Greenland is now becoming a warning sign for what is happening in the world order. Things have changed in geopolitics. We’re hearing warnings on how democracy is at risk, how this decade everything is being reshaped. We witness how one Nato ally threatens another and gets away with it. This is alarming. So I think it is important to ask ourselves: what comes next? How far should we be willing to go to keep an unpredictable, insatiable ally content? And could this moment perhaps be seen as a chance for a critical self-reflection in colonial history?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 08:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You certainly noticed "our home is not for sale".

All land in Greenland is owned by the state and cannot be purchased, but individuals can obtain the right to use a specific plot. Properties can be bought and sold, however.

Only Greenlandic, Faroese or Danish companies or individuals are permitted in principle to be approved for land use or property purchases in Greenland.
People without Danish citizenship – which is also given to Greenlanders and Faroe Islanders – must have lived and been tax eligible in Greenland for a minimum of two years.
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Carpetbagger
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2026 09:39 pm
@Ragman,
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The author of that term “Nuts” occurred during the WW II Battle of the Bulge by Gen George McAulliffe at defense of Bastogne.


Ok. So beyond being Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya sisterhood old farts (A Book, I know a strange concept for people like Walter Hinteler) what is this really about. I mean yeah the Vikings conquered Greenland (the most jokingly misnomer of all time supposedly, considering that the country really isn't green.) And now..It is owned..Ragman I am not really big on the fat man make up.

I guess I don't know. This reminds me of conspiracy theory stuff like about Antarctica and Admiral Byrd. Just on the other side of the globe. Maybe Greenland is the next planned retirement spot for hasbend republicans. They can bring that rap group a Tribe called Quest with them. But I am definitely not going to quote CNN.. Brynn Gingras or someone like her was doing some spotlight thing on Greenland and they couldn't even spell the word right. Like "GreeLand." I am serious. It said. "Trump Doubles down on Greeland." Then they took a long commercial break, like the longest commercial break that you can imagine..And then they come back and they finally spell the word Greenland right.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 07:41 am
A delegation of mostly Democratic Senators is in the Danish capital to push back on Trump's threats to seize the Arctic island.
Meanwhile, European soldiers have started arriving in Greenland.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 08:47 am
@Carpetbagger,
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I mean yeah the Vikings conquered Greenland (the most jokingly misnomer of all time supposedly, considering that the country really isn't green.)

Actually it was – in particular places at a particular time – when it was given that name.
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In the year 982 CE, Viking explorers, mostly operating out of Iceland, began to establish settlements along the south-west coast of Greenland. So what were the conditions like back then? There is evidence that the settled areas, at low levels proximal to fjords, were warmer than today. Driftwood and birch woodlands (Gauthier et al. 2010) provided both timber and fuel - at first. This warmth coincided with the period known as the Medieval Warm Epoch (Lamb 1965), also known as the Medieval Climatic Anomaly or the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), which we will discuss below.

https://skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Pattern_MWP.gif
source

Interestingly, Eric the Red is believed to have given it that name to attract settlers there. People were led to believe it was a lot greener than it was, but, you know – marketing! Jane Smiley wrote a pretty good novel about the final Norse settlements on the island as the island reverted to a much colder climate. It was covered with boreal forests 40 -50 million years ago, but that was before any human settlement that we know of.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 09:50 am
@hightor,
Well, Leif Eriksson later explored North America, which he called ‘Vinland’ "Wineland").

In the 19th century, German emigrants (like Trump's grandparents) often colloquially referred to the USA as ‘New Germany’ or ‘the promised land’.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 09:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There appear to be differing views [who wonders?] between the US government and Denmark regarding the working group following the unofficial Greenland summit: it was agreed that ‘technical discussions on the purchase of Greenland’ would be held there, said Trump's government spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt at the White House. The intention is to meet every two to three weeks.

The Danish foreign minister sees things differently: if the US has intentions other than those discussed, it will be ‘a very, very short series of meetings,’ he told Danish television station TV2. The working group is concerned with whether American security interests in the Arctic can be better served.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 09:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just in: Trump threatens tariffs on countries that disagree with Greenland takeover plans.

"I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security."

Anyone who opposes his will shall feel his wrath.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 11:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Trump threatens tariffs on countries that disagree with Greenland takeover plans.

So USAmericans will pay higher price for imported goods and more countries will develop trade relationships with China. This is what Canada is doing since China is more reliable than their former largest trading partner.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 12:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Just in: Trump threatens tariffs on countries that disagree with Greenland takeover plans.

"I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security."

Anyone who opposes his will shall feel his wrath.


Egad. I find myself hoping Trump would start acting like a 15 year old, self-conscious boy.

It would be a marked improvement!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 12:19 pm
Trump has pulled back from the brink on Iran – for now.
"For now" it's Greenland.

Any news about the Epstein files?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 12:37 pm
A - said to be - joking remark by US Ambassador-designate Billy Long has caused a stir in Iceland.
Long had suggested that Iceland could become the 52nd US state and that he could become its governor, which has caused discontent given the tense diplomatic situation between the US and Denmark.

A petition is now calling for his appointment to be rejected.

Signatures collected against new ambassador to Iceland
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2026 01:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
As reported by Arctic Today, Long later apologised for his comment. He emphasised that it had been a joke. ‘If anyone was offended by it, I apologise,’ Long told the newspaper (link below).

Although Iceland is not a member of the EU, it is part of the European Economic Area and a founding member of NATO. Like Greenland, Iceland was once part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but became independent in 1918 and was declared a republic in 1944.

Trump’s Iceland ambassador pick apologizes for 52nd state comment
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