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Why eternal torment isn't a loving punishment

 
 
kjw47
 
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Tue 12 Mar, 2024 02:24 pm
@The Anointed,
They were flesh and blood mortals. Don't forget there was a tree of life in the garden of Eden. We don't have that now, thus age and die. Rev 22:2 in Gods kingdom mentions trees and their leaves will cure the nations.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 12 Mar, 2024 04:45 pm
@kjw47,
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They were flesh and blood mortals. Don't forget there was a tree of life in the garden of Eden. We don't have that now, thus age and die. Rev 22:2 in Gods kingdom mentions trees and their leaves will cure the nations.


Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the ‘WHOLE HUMAN RACE’, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Revelation, chapters 20-21. The spirits of the ‘WHOLE HUMAN RACE’ which had been destroyed, stood before the throne of the great judge who separated those who were to suffer the second death from the righteous who are resurrected to eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15, 42; This is how it will be when the dead are raised to life. When the body is buried, it is mortal; when raised, it will be immortal.
When buried, it is a physical body; when raised, it will be a spiritual body.
What I mean, friends, is that what is made of flesh and blood cannot share in God's Kingdom, and what is mortal cannot possess immortality.

Now you can either believe God’s words which are spirit and life, or the words of the elders of the JW organization.
kjw47
 
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Tue 12 Mar, 2024 07:47 pm
@The Anointed,
He was referring to the wicked, not the righteous--Psalm 37:29-The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. There is a whole bible that makes truths.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 12 Mar, 2024 09:10 pm
@kjw47,
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He was referring to the wicked, not the righteous--Psalm 37:29-The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. There is a whole bible that makes truths.


No, I’m referring to the time when the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him. When he sits on his royal throne, and the spirits of all the people of the ‘WHOLE WORLD’ which were incinerated by the heavenly fire, will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the righteous SPIRITS on his right and the others on his left.

Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and POSSESS THE KINGDOM WHICH HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOU EVER SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! See Matthew 25, 31-41.

Same planet, the heavens will be different, as with the earth, with no more oceans, all the seas of the old earth will have been evaporated by an exterior heavenly source. It is on that planet that our God and saviour ''THE SON OF MAN'' establishes his kingdom which had been prepared in heaven. His Kingdom, which those resurrected righteous souls will inherit.
kjw47
 
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Wed 13 Mar, 2024 07:42 pm
@The Anointed,
He sat on his throne at Rev 6:2=1914 according to the prophecy of Daniel 4-Rev 6:4 as well proves 1914 is correct-Peace will be taken from the earth=ww1.
The ride of the white horse Rev6:2= righteous war=the war in heaven--Rev 12 explains the war in heaven and rev 12:5 is rev 6:2-the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven--Yet Michael rode the white horse at the war in heaven, he got the crown proving he is Jesus. Rev 19:11 is the continuation of that ride, yet Jesus is named on the horse, again proving Jesus is Michael.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return comes with the voice of the archangel---its his voice.
The Anointed
 
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Wed 13 Mar, 2024 08:26 pm
@kjw47,
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He sat on his throne at Rev 6:2=1914 according to the prophecy of Daniel 4-Rev 6:4 as well proves 1914 is correct-Peace will be taken from the earth=ww1.


Matthew 24, 6-13. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

“Then you [ The Jews to who Jesus was talking] will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. [YOU included] Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
The Anointed
 
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Wed 13 Mar, 2024 10:13 pm
@The Anointed,
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Matthew 24, 6-13. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.


Jubilees 4: 30; And he (ADAM) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason, he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

The great Sabbath of one thousand years, begins at the close of the sixth day or six thousand years from Adam.

According to the Hebrews, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from the birth of Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 B.C. to 3338 A.M., we see that from the birth of Adam to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2024, (3,925+2024=5,949) and we are now living in the 5,949 th year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which, if one were to accept these dates, it would leave us another 51 years before the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which Great Sabbath day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

But by actual Jewish calculations, the end of the 6000th year from Adam, would occur at nightfall of 16 September 2240[ on the Gregorian calendar, leaving 191 years before the true Sabbath begins.

No one can tell you when the Sabbath begins, but I can tell you now, that both the dates here given, are wrong and the Jewish date is the more erroneous of the two.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_6000
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kjw47
 
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Fri 15 Mar, 2024 08:04 pm
@The Anointed,
Actually Jesus is referring to those who are Gods chosen in the last days.= spiritual Israel, not literal Israel, they reject Jesus to this day. A new religion started.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 16 Mar, 2024 06:16 am
@kjw47,
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Actually Jesus is referring to those who are Gods chosen in the last days.= spiritual Israel, not literal Israel, they reject Jesus to this day. A new religion started.


They’ve certainly got you where they want you, haven’t they kiddo. And I’ll bet that they told you the chosen ones were all JWs.

But you have been deceived again yougen, the Lord will gather all the nations surrounding Jerusalem who would drive his chosen people into the sea and destroy them before establishing Jesus on the throne in Jerusalem, from where he shall rule the whole world with justice for the great Sabbath Day;

Acts 17, 31; For He [The Lord] has fixed a day in which He will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN He has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
kjw47
 
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Sat 16 Mar, 2024 03:26 pm
@The Anointed,
Jesus sat on the throne-Rev 6:2=1914 according to the Daniel 4 prophecy.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 16 Mar, 2024 06:06 pm
@kjw47,
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Jesus sat on the throne-Rev 6:2=1914 according to the Daniel 4 prophecy.


The great Sabbath of one thousand years does not begin until the end of the sixth thousand years from Adam.

.Then I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given the power to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been executed because they had proclaimed the truth that Jesus revealed and the word of God.

[Not the rubbish revealed through the words of the JW elders]

They had not worshipped the beast or its image, nor had they received the mark of the beast on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and ruled as kings with Christ for a thousand years.

1 Corinthians 15, 24-28. Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father. For Christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and puts them under his feet. The last enemy to be defeated will be death. For the scripture says, “God put all things under his feet.” It is clear, of course, that the words “all things” do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

Death is not defeated until after the great sabbath when heavenly fire has incinerated all physical life forms on this planet and the oceans have evaporated.

Revelation 21. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The first heaven and the first earth disappeared, and the sea vanished. And I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared and ready, like a bride dressed to meet her husband. I heard a loud voice speaking from the throne: “Now God's home is with human beings! He will live with them, and they shall be his people. God himself will be with them, and he will be their God. He will wipe away all tears from their eyes. There will be NO MORE DEATH, no more grief or crying or pain. The old things have disappeared.”

Until you allow ''WHO I AM'' to guide you through his word, you will remain in the dark dungeon of your deceivers.

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kjw47
 
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Sat 16 Mar, 2024 06:14 pm
@kjw47,
The 1000 year reign begins at Rev 20:6= after Armageddon.--Since 1914 until this Rev 19:11--the bible calls that period --the presence( Matt 24:37--1Cor 15:23--Philippians 2:12--2Pet 3:4
New earth= Gods kingdom rule in full control forever--New heavens is Gods govt rule forever.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 16 Mar, 2024 07:03 pm
@kjw47,
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The 1000 year reign begins at Rev 20:6= after Armageddon.-


The great Sabbath, the Day of the Lord begins after the greatest tribulation that this world has ever seen, the war to end all wars from which no flesh would survive if not for the intervention of the Lord, and He will intervene and fight for his people as He has fought in times past.

The African tectonic plate in its northern migration, grinds against the Arabian plate in a line that runs up through the Red Sea and along the Jordon valley beneath the Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14: 3-4; Then the Lord will go out and fight for his people as he has fought in times past. At that time, he will stand on the Mount of Olives, to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move to the northwest, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move to the southeast.

Could the violent activity around the earth at this time, be the trigger that will cause the super volcano beneath Yellow stone to erupt, enveloping the planet in a cloud of debris? And that day shall be neither day nor night, but a perpetual twilight.

Zechariah 14: 13; Then the Lord will throw those nations that surround Jerusalem, into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing. Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice for a thousand years, and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their Synagogues, Mosques, and Cathedrals of stone, marble, or crystal, who prostate themselves on the floors or who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship our King and high priest who was chosen by the God of the Bible, the Most High in the creation, ‘The Son of Man’ who evolves from the body of mankind.

Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand years Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerates the surface of this planet earth, it is in that thousand years of peace, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute to our King and High priest, that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet.
kjw47
 
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Sun 17 Mar, 2024 07:24 pm
@The Anointed,
Armageddon is the end of the tribulation, unfortunately for this world Rev 16= EVERY kingdom on earth( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead with 3 inspired expressions from satans side to mislead them into standing in opposition to Jesus at Armageddon. It will be made to look the opposite, 99 percent will fall. 99 percent are being mislead as we speak. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day Luke 17:26)--Just like Jesus teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life.
The Anointed
 
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Sun 17 Mar, 2024 08:44 pm
@kjw47,
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Armageddon is the end of the tribulation, unfortunately for this world Rev 16= EVERY kingdom on earth( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead with 3 inspired expressions from satans side to mislead them into standing in opposition to Jesus at Armageddon. It will be made to look the opposite, 99 percent will fall. 99 percent are being mislead as we speak. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day Luke 17:26)--Just like Jesus teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life.


Isaiah 63. 1“Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?”

“It is the LORD, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory.”

2“Why is his clothing so red, like that of someone who tramples grapes to make wine?”

3The LORD answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes, and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. 4I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies. 5I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. 6In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them. I poured out their lifeblood on the ground.”

The Lord will fight for his people the Israelites, who the surrounding nations would drive into the sea, if not for his intervention.

7I will tell of the LORD's unfailing love;
I praise him for all he has done for us.
He has richly blessed the people of Israel
because of his mercy and constant love.

8The LORD said, “They are my people; they will not deceive me.” And so he saved them 9from all their suffering. It was not an angel, but the LORD himself who saved them. In his love and compassion he rescued them. He had always taken care of them in the past, 10but they rebelled against him and made his Holy Spirit sad. So the LORD became their enemy and fought against them.

11But then they remembered the past, the days of Moses, the servant of the LORD, and they asked, “Where now is the LORD, who saved the leaders of his people from the sea? Where is the LORD, who gave his Spirit to Moses? 12-13Where is the LORD, who by his power did great things through Moses, dividing the waters of the sea and leading his people through the deep water, to win everlasting fame for himself?”

Led by the LORD, they were as sure-footed as wild horses, and never stumbled. 14As cattle are led into a fertile valley, so the LORD gave his people rest. He led his people and brought honour to his name.

Numbers 24, 15-19.
“The message of Balaam son of Beor,
The words of the man who can see clearly,
Who can hear what God is saying
And receive the knowledge that comes from the Most High.
With staring eyes I see in a trance
A vision from Almighty God.
I look into the future,
And I see the nation of Israel.
A king, like a bright star, will arise in that nation.
Like a comet he will come from Israel.
He will strike the leaders of Moab
And beat down all the people of Seth.
He will conquer his enemies in Edom
And make their land his property,
While Israel continues victorious.
The nation of Israel will trample them down
And wipe out the last survivors.”

Revelation 16, 18. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder, and a terrible earthquake. There has never been such an earthquake since the creation of the human race; this was the worst earthquake of all! The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of all countries were destroyed.

TO BE CONTINUED.
The Anointed
 
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Sun 17 Mar, 2024 09:22 pm
@The Anointed,
Continued from previous post.

We are now approaching the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000-year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Could an eruption such as Yellowstone’s ‘Super volcano,’ be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a thousand years, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

The huge column of molten rock that feeds Yellowstone's "super volcano" dives deeper and fills a magma chamber 20 percent bigger than previous estimates, scientists say. The finding, based on the most detailed model yet of the region's geologic plumbing, suggests that Yellowstone's magma chamber contains even more fuel for a future "super eruption" than anyone had suspected.

The model shows that a 45-mile-wide (72-kilometer-wide) plume of hot, molten rock rises to feed the super volcano from at least 410 miles (660 kilometers) beneath Earth's surface. The deepest part of the plume actually sits beneath the town of Wisdom, Montana, about 150 miles (241 kilometers) from Yellowstone National Park, a steady flow of hot rock in Earth's upper mantle causes the plume to drift to the southeast, where it fills a magma chamber that sits just 3.7 to 10 miles (5.9 to 16 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone.

Other new data show that Yellowstone's magma chamber extends 13 miles (21 kilometers) farther to the northeast than previously thought. Scientists had already known that Yellowstone is a volcanic hot spot, and that within the past two million years, the region has seen three mammoth eruptions at intervals of about 600,000 years, and it is 640,000 years since it’s last eruption. Such events it is said, can produce at least 77 cubic miles (360 cubic kilometers) of basalt: enough to bury Washington, D.C., under nearly 7,200 feet (2,200 meters) of solidified lava.

The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the Park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with an average cycle of 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago we are overdue for annihilation.

Forget about the death total within the immediate period of the explosive eruption, but just imagine what happens to our communication and ground and air transport systems, fuel supplies, power grids, atomic power stations spewing out radiation into the atmosphere, etc, etc.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days, perhaps the evolutionary son of man, came from mutants that are to be born in those days.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

Could the Great prophesied war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand- year period of twilight in which rainbows can't form in our atmosphere? And when, according to Isaiah 65: 20, "If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.

In that day says Isaiah, the lion will lay down with the sheep and all people will live out their full life span. A hundred-year old person will be considered to be but a child etc.

Revelation 20: 7-9: It is after the thousand year rule of Christ has ended (How long after? Nobody knows.) that the last trumpet will sound and the fire from heaven descends and incinerates the surface of this planet as prophesied by Zephaniah.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the skies
The earth was clothed in purples, dark orange, and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks, earth's veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found
The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted, valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth--all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but many, many, years
And the women who were pregnant, Ahh, the children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more
Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night where rainbows couldn't form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were blazing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, but far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter, that heavenly light, which in time would spell man's doom. . . . . The Anointed.
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kjw47
 
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Mon 18 Mar, 2024 04:50 pm
@The Anointed,
I am not reading all that--Every spot-LORD is in OT, God put YHVH(Jehovah) wicked men removed his name by satans will to mislead--The religion Jesus is with use a translation done by Gods will, not the ones altered by satans will. When you can understand that fact, then maybe you can find light.
The Anointed
 
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Mon 18 Mar, 2024 05:30 pm
@kjw47,
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I am not reading all that--Every spot-LORD is in OT, God put YHVH(Jehovah) wicked men removed his name by satans will to mislead--The religion Jesus is with use a translation done by Gods will, not the ones altered by satans will. When you can understand that fact, then maybe you can find light.


You poor deceived child. Do you read from a bible written in Hebrew or one that has been translated into English. Or could it be that your deceiving elders did not translate God's Hebrew name into English.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 18 Mar, 2024 06:41 pm
@kjw47,
kjw47 wrote:

I am not reading all that-


I doubt anyone has.
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