Africa

Africa is an interesting topic that I think many people put in the too hard basket, particularly given reports coming out of it are hard to piece together, leaving books written by people - who usually have an angle they want to push.

I've read several books related to Africa and have come away only knowing about some of it's history, and some of the economic reasons behind what is going on. Much of it is still murky to me.

I suspect much of it is driven by 'what happens when external wealth meets poor countries with clan/village/family first values' . Those values are really good...except when mega corporations start throwing money around to buy influence, and (if you were inside that system) you know that if you don't accept their bribe 'that other family will take the money and I will leave my family with nothing from this'. I don't know that there is any short term solution to such a situation.

You are too modest. I can only pray to reach your depths.

Do you mean like your presumptions that:
- because I'm articulate.... I must be white? (ie. you have a white superiority belief)
- my mentioning 'foreigners loaning money'... must mean white people? (ie. you have a white superiority assumption)
...or your mention of 'a lot less benign neglect' which sure sounded like 'the superior white people need to come in to actively 'make it better', but which you refused to clarify when challenged.

- going by the above attitude, you also expected the white people to provide the 'lot more education' you mentioned they needed.

By your own words, you are clearly projecting your unconcscious belief in white superiority (while blaming other people for your own presumptions).

If you want an actual factual discussion, you could answer the challenges I threw out to your empty sloganism:
- what rate would be a fair rate for the factual risks outlined; and
- would you lend your money at that rate

Currently, you are clearly projecting your own belief in white superiority, and getting evasive and mad when challenged.

Mind reading are we? You are a gift that just never stops giving.

Your simplistic look at Africa just ignores the western world contributions to the troubles you over-exaggerate.

I have no idea what race you are. But your chauvinistic western superiority complex just oozes out of what you've written.

I'm done with you.

I talked about this issue of Western abuse of Africa earlier in this very short thread.
love to see you try and actually explain this one using quotes of anything I said....but as you can't you won't.
Quoting actual facts on business failure rate is exagerration now is it

You avoided answering the questions I asked of you for a reason...you realised:
- you hadn't thought your ideas through; and
- you couldn't explain your white superiority presumptions away.
I'm not at all suprised you say 'I'm done with you'...as you engaging in any actual explanation of what you've said, would end up with you digging a hole for yourself.

Frankly, this conversation has been a waste of time. If sometime in the future you are are prepared to actualy try to engage your brain, and try and think for yourself beyond chanting empty slogans that you can't even explain when challenged...then maybe it will be worth continuing.

It's always good to see you Farmerman.

I know nothing about this topic, but not much going on today, and it's raining. But do you know what race bobsal is before you assume his or her opinions must mean he or she has a white superiority belief?

Sorry or not really sorry for butting in.

Is there a history of Egypt and Africa somehow? I only ask because I read a piece about Egypt being upset because Netflix decided to cast a black actress as Cleopatra as taking away Egyptian history. I forget the details. (seems they would have been just as upset with Elizabeth Taylor and Vivian Leigh both having those roles, but perhaps people didn't get so upset about those things then.)

: # 7,300,118izzythepush

Egyptian lawyer sues Netflix for casting Black woman as Cleopatra

Egypt is in Africa, it's in North Africa. A lot of North Africans are Arabs.

For these purposes North is north the Sahara Desert.

There is a bit of race snobbery among the lighter skinned Egyptians.

Although Egypt did have black rulers, Cleopatra wasn't one of them she was Greek.

That's what has got some Egyptians in a tizzy.

Highly embarrassed. But thank you, I was curious.

A lot of people think of Africa as sub saharan Africa, but it makes up about half of the Mediterranean coastline.

Hello Revelette,

Actually Bob first accused me of white supremacism, so the question is better asked of him (which I did ask, but he has refused to give his reasons).

I'm able (and happy) to give reasons:

The irony of Bobs accusations, is that in accusing another of white supremacism, he wrote multiple assumptions that showed a white superiority complex:

- In my post, I only quoted facts, and asked him to clarify his ideas... so it was irrational for him to draw such a conclusion. So then, in articulately pulling his post apart... in his mind, educated/articulate=white person (otherwise he wouldn't accuse me of white supremicism). I'm not white.

- why would he think I meant white people when I wrote 'foreign lenders'? I wrote foreign lenders for a reason (there are many non-white wealthy countries). His assumption again shows a white superiority mindset.

And prior to these two indicators, he wrote 'africa needs a lot less benign neglect'. If you are unaware,China is splashing a lot of money around in Africa, and he does not appear to know this. So his statement sounded an awful lot like 'the superior white people should step in an fix the problem' ...so I told him what it sounded like, and asked him to clarify what he meant...he refused to clarify what he meant (likely because it means exactly what it looks like it means)

There are other minor signs that in context, are consistent with the above indicators.

Even people that want better for another peoples can subsconsciously feel superior to them. The irony is that he projected that onto me, who is not white, for articulately asking questions he couldn't / wouldn't answer.

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By the way - In how it treats Africa, I doubt China is any better than the West in its intentions, but it appears to be going about it a somewhat different way than the West. There are a lot of articles on this subject if you are interested.

That's not just a lie: it's a damnable lie.

I think it just may be your conscience tapping you on the shoulder.


"@vikorr,
Mind reading are we? You are a gift that just never stops giving.

Your simplistic look at Africa just ignores the western world contributions to the troubles you over-exaggerate.

I have no idea what race you are. But your chauvinistic western superiority complex just oozes out of what you've written.

I'm done with you. "

That's some hatchet job of reading between the lines and expressing it to others is slanderous.

You disgust me. I am so past done with you.

My apologies, Izzy. I think this was a good idea for a topic.