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Origin of man in Islam: Creation or Evolution...

 
 
Saff
 
Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 04:30 am
The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth. The Quran does not say when this happened. Also the Quran does not clearly state whether Adam & Eve were physically transported from Heaven to Earth, or just their souls were put into the already living homo sapiens.


The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven down to Earth:

(Quran 2.35-36) We [Allah] said: "O Adam! Dwell with your wife in Heaven; and eat anything you like, but do not approach this tree, or else you would become transgressors." 36 After this, Satan made them slip from it (Heaven), and got them out of the state in which they had been. We [Allah] said: "Get down all of you (Adam, Eve and Satan), and let enmity be among you; Let Earth be your dwelling place and your means of livelihood for a time."

Earth became their dwelling place after they were expelled from Heaven. So originally, Adam & Eve were not created on Earth.

The Quran never said that Adam & Eve were the first creatures on Earth. Actually the Quran says that when Adam & Eve were still in Heaven, someone on Earth was already making mischief and not worshipping God:

(Quran 2.30) The Lord said to the angels: "I will create a successor on Earth." They said: "How do You install someone one who makes mischief and sheds blood? While we praise your mercy and glorify (Your Name)?"; He said: "I know what you do not know."

Since in the very next verse the angels admit that they cannot tell the future, then they had to be referring to someone making mischief and shedding blood on Earth at that time (when Adam & Eve were still in Heaven).

Moreover, God wanted Adam & Eve to succeed someone.

So were the souls of the first humans (Adam & Eve) put into those evolved homo sapiens?

Moslems believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human conception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:

(Quran 39.42) It is Allah who takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep. Those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. These are Signs for those who reflect.

So, according to the Quran, humans can be alive, breathing, with fully functional bodies (hence perfect DNA), but still without souls.

Homo sapiens had the same bodies and DNA as humans, but what about their souls? Were the souls of the first humans (Adam & Eve) put into those evolved homo sapiens?

The Quran says that if God wishes He can make our descendents nonhuman:

(Quran 6.133) Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if He wishes, can discard you and succeed you with "WHATEVER" He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan.

The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans. This word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (see Arabic wording at footnote [1]).

This verse says that if God wishes, He can make our descendents Whatever He wishes (nonhuman), just like our ancestors.

Contrary to the belief of most Moslems, the Quran actually says that while Adam & Eve were still in Heaven, someone on Earth was already making mischief, shedding blood and nonhuman.

Having this in mind, all pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Adam & Eve were not physically transported from Heaven to Earth. Instead, their souls were put into the already living homo sapiens. Those homo sapiens were making mischief, shedding blood and not worshiping God (while Adam & Eve were still in Heaven). Only when homo sapiens received human souls they became humans.

We are descendents of those homo sapiens. We just have human souls.

Moslems are hesitant about this simply because Allah banned all information about souls and spirits:

(Quran 17.85) And they ask you about the Spirit, say: "The Spirit concerns only my Lord: The knowledge of which only a little is communicated to you".

So all the information that could have easily answered whether or not the souls of the first humans were put into evolved homo sapiens, is banned.

Add to this that the Quran totally agrees with science about the evolution of animals. The Quran says that all life started in water, and not on dry land:

(Quran 24.45) And Allah has created every animal from water; of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for Allah has power over all things.

This is evolution.

But God made evolution.

As for creating the whole universe in six days, Einstein's theory of relativity explains why six days passed at God's Throne while we experienced 13.5 billion years on Earth.

The Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men" ("Who" or "Whoever") and is nowhere used in this verse. But this verse is consistently mistranslates to other languages with "Whoever He wishes". In this case the meaning becomes: If God wishes, He can replace you with other humans just like your ancestors. But the term "If God wishes" implies that now God does not wish the following phrase to be true; and hence should not be happening. But we are indeed descendents of humans and our descendents will also be humans. So the phrase after "If God wishes" that should not be happening, is indeed happening and will happen again. This is wrong.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 04:08 am
Re: Origin of man in Islam: Creation or Evolution...
Saff wrote:

As for creating the whole universe in six days, Einstein's theory of relativity explains why six days passed at God's Throne while we experienced 13.5 billion years on Earth.


WOW!.....that's a leap I've never heard before. I'd really think about what you're saying here before you make this LEAP.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 04:25 am
The Christian Bible does NOT say that Aam and Eve were created here on earth. They were expelled from the Garden of Eden, which is just another way of saying 'Heaven' because of their disobedience to God's edict. The Q'uran owes much to the Torah, which, incidentally, is not just the "Christian" Bible. The Old Testament was written long before the time of Jesus and long, long before the time of Muhamed.
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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2005 12:03 pm
In so many words Saff, that is very close to what I was taught.

I attended Catholic school and remember being told that there was no actual creation from dust or ribs of the first humans, that the story was a metaphor that at some point in time God gave beings a soul, that is when they became human.

I was also taught that simply because the Bible said the world was created in 7 days, that did not mean 7 24 hour days.

To go further, the story of Adam, Eve, the apple and the Serpent.......again, a metaphor that at some point humans displeased God.

By the time the Torah, Quran, and the other parts of the Old Testament was written, a hegemonic society was well in place for centuries, if not millenia, where woman were subordinate to man.
Hence, Eve became the fall guy.

I do not understand why creationists find evolution so disturbing.

Perhaps it is hard for people who are literal minded find it hard to understand allegory, metaphor and symbolism.
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