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Tue 16 Aug, 2005 08:48 am
Is the abandonment of the Israeli settlements in Gaza a prelude to peace or just a lull in the conflict? Will the Palestinians and the surrounding countries ever accept the state of Isreal on what they consider their land?
Or is the distruction of Israel still imbedded in their mindset?
I have said it before i will say it again, Israel is a contradiction waiting to happen.
It does not make any sense despite my countless conversations with hardcore zionists, the whole 'philosophy' doenst make any sense.
I have met people who dont believe in G-d dispute the authenticity of scripture lead secular lives scorn the sacred and yet believe with a passion G-d gave them the 'land' i mean what???
never mind the so called mythical threat from arab states, Israelis dont even know why they are there, if you dont believe in the divine how can you make claim that G-d gave you the land?
Many Israelis namely the Azkharis are not semities in the real sense so it makes the arguement even more absurd.
The Gaza pull out is to justify the existence of Israel (given that the population of non-jewish people living in the area including west bank and gaza) ia situtaion similar to the south african apartheid, a minority race group ruling over a majority indigenous populace.
the Gaza pull out is just to fix demographics of the Apartheid State of Israel, nothing else. Its nothing to do with peace or justice.
who controls the entire gaza strip land , air sea etc? Israel
So what is it?
A dry , dead, arrid, waste land.
No we can see how Areil Sharon is annexing the West Bank al the while pretending he is doing the world a favour!
Ariel Sharon is a complete bastard end of story!
Israel's social system is deeply rascist.
And frankly i find the ideology repulsive!
NO PEACE
Mankind's effort to establish world peace has failed since the FALL.
It is obvious this world is out of control. What does it take for President Bush and other world leaders to realize that effort to bring about peace and brotherly love between different races is simply a dream NOT reality?
America has been around slightly over 200 years. Arabs and Jews have been fighting for thousands of years. Need I say more?
stevewonder wrote:I have said it before i will say it again, Israel is a contradiction waiting to happen.
It does not make any sense despite my countless conversations with hardcore zionists, the whole 'philosophy' doenst make any sense.
I have met people who dont believe in G-d dispute the authenticity of scripture lead secular lives scorn the sacred and yet believe with a passion G-d gave them the 'land' i mean what???
never mind the so called mythical threat from arab states, Israelis dont even know why they are there, if you dont believe in the divine how can you make claim that G-d gave you the land?
Many Israelis namely the Azkharis are not semities in the real sense so it makes the arguement even more absurd.
The Gaza pull out is to justify the existence of Israel (given that the population of non-jewish people living in the area including west bank and gaza) ia situtaion similar to the south african apartheid, a minority race group ruling over a majority indigenous populace.
the Gaza pull out is just to fix demographics of the Apartheid State of Israel, nothing else. Its nothing to do with peace or justice.
who controls the entire gaza strip land , air sea etc? Israel
So what is it?
A dry , dead, arrid, waste land.
No we can see how Areil Sharon is annexing the West Bank al the while pretending he is doing the world a favour!
Ariel Sharon is a complete bastard end of story!
Israel's social system is deeply rascist.
And frankly i find the ideology repulsive!
Frankly, my dear, I find your ideology repulsive!
Is there any other State or country that bothers you more than you are bothered by Israel?
Is there an ideology you find less repulsive?
Is there anything you find less absurd?
Or is it only Israel?
Let's see, how did you put it? Deeply racist? Nothing to do with peace or justice?
You is one creepy fella'
stevewonder wrote:never mind the so called mythical threat from arab states, Israelis dont even know why they are there, if you dont believe in the divine how can you make claim that G-d gave you the land?
Mythical? Suppose you tell us why you chose that word?
roger wrote:stevewonder wrote:never mind the so called mythical threat from arab states, Israelis dont even know why they are there, if you dont believe in the divine how can you make claim that G-d gave you the land?
Mythical? Suppose you tell us why you chose that word?
Yes, I'd really be interest in your definition of "mythical", Steve. The constant Arab attacks on Israel are, really, mythical? Wow! Who knew?
Ditto MA - I never knew that.
My ideology
My ideology is............
the Belief
that all human beings are equal in the eyes of G-d, that no one race has superiorty over other races, and nor do they have the right to kill other human beings under the belief that they are less worth in G-ds eyes, for this is a lie attributed to G-d.
I believe that we all descended from the same parents (adam and eve for those who believe in G-d and Amoebas for those who dont)
and therefore no group has the right to claim superiorty over another group.
I believe Humans were given the whole earth by G-d as the promised land, that we should be free to live and roam as we please, without fear from Guns, check points, and ethinc cleansing.
free to sleep under G-ds sky or in your own bed, where ever you lay your hat.
I believe that men have used G-ds name to oppress other men whom they have labelled inferior to them, and women and poor people who they have oppressed, i believe this is a lie against the Almighty and is nothing but a sickness of the heart.
I believe we should all be free of torture, killing, murder, oppression, violence, ethnic cleansing or ethinc sectioning. Free to live in peace where ever and however we choose to live with those people we decide to call our family whether that is 4 kids and trailer or a 3 legged dog! You should be free in G-ds earth.
the one eyed pirate: Moishe 3rd wrote:
>>>>Frankly, my dear, I find your ideology repulsive! <<<<<<<
i thank goodness that my beliefs are not the same as your narrow minded arrogant, self congratulatory, racist beliefs.
sure you will find my beliefs repulsive, you are diametrically opposed to all of the above, its sad but you may spend your whole life consumed by nothing but rage.
the one eyed pirate then said..
>>>>Is there any other State or country that bothers you more than you are bothered by Israel?
Is there an ideology you find less repulsive?
Is there anything you find less absurd?
Or is it only Israel? <<<<<
Surely you meant more repulsive? and more absurd?
I mean the statement lacks you usual sarcasm if you ask what do i find "less' repulsive/absurd??
A typo error Mr. Pirate but i appreciate what your trying to ask me
Well there are many things that i find as equally repulsive for example
: ethinc cleansing in dar Fur,
Human rights abuse in Iran and China,
Boiling people alive in Uzbekistan that bastion ally on the war of terror i mean "on terror"
The ethinic cleansing of white farmers in zimbabwe
The south african apartheid of the 1980's
The genocide in Rawanda.
the genocide of Gypsies, Jews, Jehovahs witness, disabled people at the hands of the nazis
The massacres against the people of Panama and Vietnam
All forms terrorism state, group, individual, religious, secular etc..,
The genocide of the Native americans and the australasians or the native south americans or the tribes of central africa.
these are some of the examples of what i find repulsive, MY REPULSION OF THE OPPRESSION OF MY FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS IS MY IDEOLOGY!
AND I CAN SEE wHY YOU, MOISHE 3RD, WOULD FIND IT REPULSIVE.
in answering the curosity of other peeps i would give clarity to my use of the word 'Mythical'
Its is true that the arabs attacked Israel, however currently given Israels possession of 200 nuclear war heads and the most sophisticated weaponary in the world (courtesy of the US of A)
The possibility of an attack by an arab state currently is mythical, they had their chance and the USA ensured they failed.
With billions of dollars of aid being pumped into israel both for development and directly into its miltary capability.............There is no arab state that would attack Israel so to suggest they would even contemplate such misadventure is absurd and shows a complete lack of insight.
Not only does Israel have access to the latest military technology and billions of dollars in aid, it also raises funds by supplying those very weapons and information to the enemy of the united states such as china.
Furthermore, where the USA does not give certain information the Israelis desire, that information can be obtained with easeby the vast 'spy ring' that operates through Israeli-Americans to pass that information to Israelis officials.
So it remains in the sphere of mythical that any arab state could or would even dare attack Israel, the small fringe miltant groups are not states remember.
Re: My ideology
stevewonder wrote:the one eyed pirate: Moishe 3rd wrote:
>>>>Frankly, my dear, I find your ideology repulsive! <<<<<<<
i thank goodness that my beliefs are not the same as your narrow minded arrogant, self congratulatory, racist beliefs.
sure you will find my beliefs repulsive, you are diametrically opposed to all of the above, its sad but you may spend your whole life consumed by nothing but rage.
Have we insulted before? If so, I apologize for not remembering, but at the moment you only incite curiousity and a bit of creepy crawlyness. I'm a bit too busy for rage.
Nonetheless, judging by the remainder of your post, you seem to be a mite ticked off yerself.
Quote: the one eyed pirate then said..
>>>>Is there any other State or country that bothers you more than you are bothered by Israel?
Is there an ideology you find less repulsive?
Is there anything you find less absurd?
Or is it only Israel? <<<<<
Surely you meant more repulsive? and more absurd?
I mean the statement lacks you usual sarcasm if you ask what do i find "less' repulsive/absurd?? A typo error Mr. Pirate but i appreciate what your trying to ask me
No, I meant less repulsive. Less absurd.
If you want to list things more repulsive, more absurd... gezunta heit. But, you don't want to do even that. What you choose is that everything in the world is equal.
There is no difference for you between any of the following. They are all equal. I suspect that those being boiled alive might disagree.
Quote:ethinc cleansing in dar Fur,
Human rights abuse in Iran and China,
Boiling people alive in Uzbekistan that bastion ally on the war of terror i mean "on terror"
The ethinic cleansing of white farmers in zimbabwe
The south african apartheid of the 1980's
The genocide in Rawanda.
the genocide of Gypsies, Jews, Jehovahs witness, disabled people at the hands of the nazis
The massacres against the people of Panama and Vietnam
All forms terrorism state, group, individual, religious, secular etc..,
The genocide of the Native americans and the australasians or the native south americans or the tribes of central africa.
these are some of the examples of what i find repulsive, MY REPULSION OF THE OPPRESSION OF MY FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS IS MY IDEOLOGY!
AND I CAN SEE wHY YOU, MOISHE 3RD, WOULD FIND IT REPULSIVE.
Some things are worse. Some things are better. To make everything of equal value is to have no value for anything.
Quote:in answering the curosity of other peeps i would give clarity to my use of the word 'Mythical'
Its is true that the arabs attacked Israel, however currently given Israels possession of 200 nuclear war heads and the most sophisticated weaponary in the world (courtesy of the US of A)
The possibility of an attack by an arab state currently is mythical, they had their chance and the USA ensured they failed.
With billions of dollars of aid being pumped into israel both for development and directly into its miltary capability.............There is no arab state that would attack Israel so to suggest they would even contemplate such misadventure is absurd and shows a complete lack of insight.
Not only does Israel have access to the latest military technology and billions of dollars in aid, it also raises funds by supplying those very weapons and information to the enemy of the united states such as china.
Furthermore, where the USA does not give certain information the Israelis desire, that information can be obtained with easeby the vast 'spy ring' that operates through Israeli-Americans to pass that information to Israelis officials.
So it remains in the sphere of mythical that any arab state could or would even dare attack Israel, the small fringe miltant groups are not states remember
Hmmm... Uhhh, yeah.
Sure. Okey dokey.
Well, you have satisfied my curiousity. Certainly glad Israel (or the United States for that matter) has nothing to fear from Iran.... or the former Taliban ruled Afghanistan.... or nuclear armed Pakistan... or Egypt... or Sudan... or... Saudi Arabia.
No sir.
Nobody here but us chickens...
And sorry Au, vis a vis the original question - the destruction of Israel is still embedded in their mindset.
However...
With the Arabs called Palestinians ruling over their new State of Hamas, they may get a chance to prove to the world that Death and Destruction as the sole national, political, cultural, and religious policy, is not a successful formula for survival.
I believe we may see that yet.
I think shooting a child, run someone over in a bulldozer or boiling someone alive are equally repulsive.
I sure you dont agree Pirate but then thats your pergotive!
Taliban?? lol ( you can come out from under your bed, they've gone!)
Sudan? Egypt?.etc...
you gotta be kidding, please keep the discussion on a realistic level.
I mean what they gonna do throw sand in your face??
Anyhow i think you have made my point quiet clear.
The idea that Israel is about to be wiped out by an advancing arab Army, currently remains in the realm of mythical, and the only people who believe it are deluded arabs suffering from an inflated ego and extremist Israels who understand the power of generating fear and paranoia to keep the sympathy cow milking its good stuff!
unlike the Palestinians who are not given a 'brotherly helping hand' but have their homes bulldozed are they are left homeless, unemployed and penniless.
the Gaza Settlers (thanks to US tax payers) are given a nice compensation package including brand new air conditioned homes.
The only real incoveniance they have had is they were used by Sharon as political footballs, when he felt like it he told them to go forth and occupy and now the demogaphics of the Israeli apartheid state look obvious he says you can leave the patch of arrid desert and its okay because we can use it to get more cash from the stupid americans. Doh!
so heres where you tax goes people brand new homes for the Settlers to go and settle in West Bank
Yes Sir, these are the brand new air conditioned homes for the Gaza Settlers, i think were probably crying because they had to go by coach instead of limos.
Cheers! to american tax payers!