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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2022 09:09 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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I like you. You seem like a very decent person. And I am terrified that one day, I will say or do something to make you hate me.

I don’t think that’s possible bulma.
For that matter, I don’t hate Frank.


If you want my honest opinion, I think you are sincerely motivated by the same urge to know the truth about God that is common to everyone. You are trying the best you can to answer that call. But your 'science' is abominable. But again, your science or politics is of no consequence to God. No need to worry. Just honestly follow that call and check yourself at every step with reason.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2022 09:16 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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Hey, I'm not uneducated.

I'm got a college degree. Maybe not a fancy university, but still an honest to goodness college, plus community college courses.

That puts you ahead of me in that realm.
But that’s not the one I was referring to.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2022 06:45 pm
@Leadfoot,
???

What were you referring to?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2022 07:33 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
The realm of the Socratic Method.

I love to engage in it, particularly when the subject is God.
You may have noticed there is precious little of it here. On any subject.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:47 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Does anybody really care. G^D created and creates all of us. We each deal with and are dealt with by Him in love.

He also claimed responsibility for judgement of all of us solely for himself. If you know something is wrong you are required to keep yourself from doing it. We are responsible for our own use of our G*D given free agency.


Why does your God create gays and their natures, if he does not want them to be as he created them to be?

What wrong are you talking about?

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:50 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

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If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?


I think you omitted something.

"If God condemns gays, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?"

First off, it should be amended further.

"If God is said to condemn gays, as some believers think, then why is God creating gays?"

Yet all the secular smear all Christians with the same brush, no? Or shall we say not all atheists accuse Christians?

Now, on to the question.
1. Gays are not made by nature. There is no gay DNA (sorry). But God does indeed create us, warts and all, before we are born.
2. Nor are they made by nurture. You cannot raise a gay child.
3. Being gay is a choice, and yes it is a sin.



When did you choose not to be gay?

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:


Here is a quote from the god that Jesus worshiped:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives."


Leviticus 20:13

There is that!



Why would God create that desire if he did not want men to have it?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:59 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Or is it gay ass-sex?


Why are you putting sex and gender as a value above love?

Is love not the most important thing to you and your homophobic God?

Jesus did, along with the Golden Rule that you see to be ignoring.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:03 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Why do YOU get to sit in Judgement of others? Isn't that God's job? Are you saying you're more powerful than God?


Your God, yes. My God, no.

As to judging, I am just following the scriptures that you should be following.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Why are you not doing as your bible bids you do?

Why are you ignoring the Golden Rule?

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:23 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

My two bits on the subject.

I think the key to understanding 'it' is to realize that the Biblical condemnation of homosexuality is not an isolated subject unto itself. It is a subcategory of the sin in question. That is the sin of inappropriate sex. Inappropriate heterosexual sex is condemned at least as often as homosexual sex.

It all falls under whatever the meaning of 'adultery/fornication' really is.
I don’t think either side of the 'gay' debate knows.


Why do Christians condemned the innocent victims of God' creation efforts?

Christians are in effect hating gays even as they are created that way by God.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:28 pm
@Albuquerque,
Albuquerque wrote:

In my modest opinion certain mutations of the population fill a role on the Human ecosystem/society...I think natural selection has pushed a fair amount of these mutations as they proved functional when there was a collapse of mainstream social ecosystems, like for instance when a to big amount of women dies in a tribe and you have to keep civil unrest at bay like you do in prison populations.

I am not sure about any of this but this is my own personal conjecture on the topic. I firmly believe every kind of human has a function in the social ecosystem, we just know to little on Evolutionary Sociology for now.


I'm not sure of many things, but I see the discrimination without a just cause that the religious do, as evil.

Any creed or religion that asks a parent to hate their gay or female children, due to homophobia or misogyny, I see as evil.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:40 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

The realm of the Socratic Method.

I love to engage in it, particularly when the subject is God.
You may have noticed there is precious little of it here. On any subject.


As in the days of the inquisitions, Christians cannot convert by decent moral tenets and must go to violence if they want to win the God Wars.

That is why they never answer on moral issues.

Theirs are garbage.

Con men preachers or their lying marks always run from questions of the type that Socrates used.

Have you noted that no Christian ever tries to justify their homophobia or misogyny.

They are Moral Cowards and call evil good.

Regards
DL
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 04:09 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Why do Christians condemned the innocent victims of God' creation efforts?

Christians are in effect hating gays even as they are created that way by God.

For myself, That’s a hard question to answer.

First because 'Christians' is mostly a meaningless term in today’s society, so I try not to refer to them as a group. I look at every man as an individual because that is the way God looks at us.

Second, because I don’t know if God is responsible for creating gays. I'm not sure what is.
But society has corrupted and confused the dynamics of male - female relationships so badly that I would not be surprised if that alone 'created gays'. By completely divorcing sex from love they have destroyed both. I’m not immune to the corrosive effects either. At this point it has made me asexual. Society has made sex so ugly that I don’t even miss it. Love's a different matter.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jan, 2022 04:41 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Con men preachers or their lying marks always run from questions of the type that Socrates used.

I have noticed that. It tends to make conversations with them very short.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2022 06:59 am
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:


Here is a quote from the god that Jesus worshiped:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives."


Leviticus 20:13

There is that!



Why would God create that desire if he did not want men to have it?

Regards
DL




Beats the hell out of me. Ya gotta ask that of people who guess that a god exists...and also guess that the god they guess exists has that kind of nature.

Doesn't seem very reasonable to me.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2022 08:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Blind man asks reasonable question, deserves answer.

Because if we 'made love' only when that was the motive, we'd be extinct.
The experiment must continue to completion.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2022 07:34 am
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:
Why are you not doing as your bible bids you do?

Why are you ignoring the Golden Rule?


The Bible was written by scribes, not God. It was carefully crafted, some original works included, some added, some retracted throughout the years by men.

God doesn't hate gays, people do.

I don't hate God nor do I hate gay people. I do hate idiots who condemn others strictly for sexual orientation.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2022 07:50 am
@neptuneblue,
This.

But if we're speaking frankly, I do not believe God condemns either gays or those who hate them, any more than God condemns you for your personal prejudices.
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