Reason (A discussion)

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It is said that reason is something that Guides us to truer knowledge and better decisions, this of course is all in the face of behavioural inertia, the tendency to cling to what we already know and do.

How much a part does reason truly play in our decision making? We might take comfort in telling ourselves our actions are purely based on reason, but at worst, reasoning may have had nothing to do with a decision until after it is made.

Things to consider in this discussion amongst anything reason related, that sparks your fancy

Do we reason before or after we act?

What drives our decisions?

What part does reason play in our social interactions?

is a group more or less likely to utilise reason before acting?

I am never quite sure if I have articulated my thoughts well, I apologise if not, I'm not really here to give answers, but to ask for collaborative thinking to aid me in my thought processes. I appreciate your input greatly.

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Smiley,
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@Smileyrius,

Well, look who showed up.

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@Smileyrius,

There are reasons and then there is Reason.
Reason as far as I see it holistically doesn't grant us more then what our domain of operations can be, and thus in that sense doesn't serves us any kind of Truth that we cannot digest...it serves nothing not even itself it is what is the case all the time in the whole of Time!
...but I digress your point was about reasons and those are story telling, a narrative, that we sell to ourselves the best we can.
On the turn of XXI century lately the boundaries of our reasons have become quite evident...

PS - Asking for Reason capital it is as productive as asking why the circles are round...

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@Smileyrius,

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is a group more or less likely to utilise reason before acting?

Unfortunate as it is, Reason is not something associated with 'groups '. Groups tend to rely on things like compromise, 'democracy', and worst of all, deferring to 'authorities'.

If Reason is your goal, you must reject all of those and strike out on your own as an individual.

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@Smileyrius,

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How much a part does reason truly play in our decision making?

Those who deny the existence of freewill believe that all our actions and choices are predetermined before we think or make a move.

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@Smileyrius,

Was reason the reason you asked the question?

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@Leadfoot,

“Reason is not something associated with 'groups '.”
No bad a comment.

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@Smileyrius,

“I'm not really here to give answers, but to ask for collaborative thinking to aid me in my thought processes.”
No bad a comment.
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“Group” should be something belongs to the category of PRESENCE.
Then, what’s the SELF associated with it? It might be mission, ambition, etc, the worst of all, perhaps conspiracy.

“Reason” should be something belongs to the category of “consciousness”. People’s consciousness often is confused by the propaganda of a cabal.

A vivid example was the story of “wolf vs sheep”. Wolf eats sheep just because sheep eat their grass. But if wolf want to eat a bird, it might resort to another Reason: the bird on the sky shadows the sunlight.
Another vivid example might be the First Order. They defined piggy as “a half – self payment watchman, a drudge, or even a dead man”, just because piggy owed their mothers very much.

“Reasonable” or not is up to one’s AWARENESS.

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Unfortunately, in the forest / such a society, it seems “Reasonable”. So, piggy always says that “piggy die hard. I am sure.”

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@hightor,

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Those who deny the existence of freewill believe that all our actions and choices are predetermined before we think or make a move.

Poor bastards, how do they even get up in the morning.
I always have to imagine a plausible train of thought that such a creature would experience.

He awakes. In the random noise of his consciousness, 'one too many tequilas' crowds its way into his awareness. But it is quickly superseded by a priority one interrupt from his bladder. After executing the required subroutine he climbs back into bed and waits for the next random pattern of synaptic activity to form. Suddenly two competing concepts comes to him, but ultimately it is coffee that wins out over sex with the creature lying next to him. But he is oblivious to the delicate balance of hormones that determined his actions on this, another day closer to his eventual decay into the elements from which he arose.

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@Leadfoot,

Ain't life a beauty eh?

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@Albuquerque,

It's incredibly awesome!
But it does depend on your POV.

MSFS will have to wait till i get back to PC in FL

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@Leadfoot,

I've made this stream just to show the outstanding quality of weather in MSFS 2020, here enjoy my Grumman!

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@Smileyrius,

From my experience PRESENCE and SELF are independent of the “closed loop”. but balanced CONSCIOUSNESS system.

Whereas SELF is influenced by the CONSCIOUSNESS system PRESENCE is not.

PRESENCE occupies the FULCRUM of the “seesaw” at the STILL or NEUTRALISED point.

SELF is not CONSCIOUSNESS types (autopilot/manual) but rather experiences them…i.e..”toggles” between them in AWARENESS (1,1) or UNAWARENESS (0,0).

The “closed loop” system has 0,0…0,1..1,0…1,1 logic output possibilities.The comma being the FULCRUM in each case.NOTICE that a yes and no can be on BOTH sides of the FULCRUM….hence the “closed loop” system.

The comma is the SILENT /STILL state that you refer to.

Collaboration of thoughts/ideas across the sciences to determine correlations is the way forward in my opinion.

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@Albuquerque,

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