The Derek Chauvin Trial

@BillW,

True. It hasn't made as much difference as we might like to think which party is in control when it comes to protecting the public's rights - moreso for black people than others, but the poor of all ethnic makeup are not getting a fair shake. The Shaun King piece I quoted is a building block in the process to keep black people from being openly murdered.

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@edgarblythe,

I took the article as being against wrongful convictions.

When people justifiably defend themselves, that isn't openly murdering anyone.

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@oralloy,

The problem here is how the word 'justifiably' is interpreted. Same as 'reasonable force'.

What I want to know is how situations escalate so rapidly and then spiral out of 'normal' control.

Does no one believe in discussing issues any more? Let's sit down and work this out? Is being cut off in traffic worth a prison sentence? They cut you off, you kill them, they're now dead, and you're looking at life. Is this reasonable? Of course not. It's absolutely insane.

Some Americans are completely out of control. It's evident in the daily papers and news channels. And no, you're not the only country to experience this, but do you not see a downward trajectory in your own country?

It's extremely sad and dispiriting. You might have the right to bear arms, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended to shoot a driver who pissed you off.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

The problem here is how the word 'justifiably' is interpreted. Same as 'reasonable force'.

It’s also a big problem that cops seem to have a whole different idea about what is reasonable and justifiable depending on whether the person of interest is white or black.

Being black seems to be enough justification and reason for cops to treat someone like an immediate threat that needs to be neutralized. Whereas a white suspect in the same situation is talked to, reasoned with and usually captured unharmed and alive.

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@snood,

That isn't true except for rare exceptions. When black people are fired upon it is usually because they are engaging in hostile behavior.

White people who engage in the same hostile behavior are also fired upon.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

What I want to know is how situations escalate so rapidly and then spiral out of 'normal' control.

It only takes a second for someone to pull a gun and fire it.

If the police see someone appear to grab for a weapon, they have to respond if they want to survive.

They actually train so that they fire reflexively without even thinking. It's like how your nervous system makes your body recoil from a hot surface before your brain even registers that it is hot.

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@oralloy,

Hostile behaviour like when you ask the nice patriotic white cop to stop choking you? That kind? Sure that happens all the time to white people, especially white men in suits and carrying briefcases. Just this morning two white elderly men were suffocated by annoyed white cops for being smart mouthed to peace officers. I would have filmed it, but I'm sure they deserved it....

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@glitterbag,

No.

Hostile behavior like not following the instructions of cops, not keeping your hands visible (especially when instructed to do so), and suddenly grabbing for an unknown object that could well be a gun.

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@oralloy,

I'm actually referring to a female driver who was stopped at a light and looked over at the car next to her. They shot her dead.

Tried to find the article but couldn't. Going forward, I'll bookmark them.

Nothing to do with cops.

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@Mame,

Do remember the state or city, and about when it happened?

If it had nothing to do with cops, who did the shooting?

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@oralloy,

You know, I'm thinking Louisiana, but I went back a few pages in the NYT and couldn't find it. It absolutely shocked me. It was under 10 days ago, maybe even 5.

The people in the other car did the shooting. There was no further information at that time.

It's this hair-trigger thing that bothers me about guns. If they had only been armed with a knife, she could have locked her doors and lived. Not that I agree with knives, either ...

Why not carry a water gun and get your frustrations out that way? No need to kill someone over a driving incident, or whatever the hell it was.

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The only proof any of you need of the inequality in the way cops dispense physical damage and death is this:

Produce for me right here a dozen videos of cops beating down a white person in custody. Or of cops shooting an unarmed white suspect. You can’t.

Now, how hard do you think it would be for me to find more than a dozen such instances of cops vs black people?
You know why? They happen all the damn time!

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@BillW,

Quote:

Democracy grows by showing government and justice are by the people and for the people!

This is something that has been sliding more right of center for the past 30 years, IMHO!

I'm not sure if left or right has anything to do with it. From my perspective, at the top end, government has been becoming more about government (than about the people) for the last 30 years, them as they years go by, jumping ever more slowly in bed with corporations , and ever more secretive. The constituents they are meant to represent are becoming more and more of an afterthought, only catered to during election times, or to be smoothed over if something makes the news.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

The only proof any of you need of the inequality in the way cops dispense physical damage and death is this:

Produce for me right here a dozen videos of cops beating down a white person in custody. Or of cops shooting an unarmed white suspect. You can’t.

Now, how hard do you think it would be for me to find more than a dozen such instances of cops vs black people?
You know why? They happen all the damn time!

Just out of curiosity and to test my own statement, I did a quick search to see how many videos I could find with cops beating or shooting an idiot Barnes white man, vs those with cops brutalizing a brown or black man.

It’s unscientific as hell, but out of 20 videos I found, 4 were white men, 14 were black men, two were Latino men.

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I agree that the top has no right or left by conviction. But it recruits the right for the dirty work. The socialist left is their greatest enemy because they would end the privilege of the top.

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@Mame,

Maybe this one
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/man-shoots-woman-driving-with-her-children-in-the-backseat-in-northeast-dc/2683149/

It also references a 6 year old boy that was killed from a road rage incident involving shots 6 days before in LA

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@vikorr,

No, from the account, they shot her through their window and no mention of kids. I will keep googling. Ack. What a task.

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@Mame,

Well, on a quick search I found this, but it's not quite the same:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/27/us/nc-road-rage-shooting-julie-eberly.html

Still, it begs the question.

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@Mame,

I read that article as well. I think the article was about increased gun violence and mentioned that shooting. I'll look for it as well.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Produce for me right here a dozen videos of cops beating down a white person in custody.

How often does it happen to black people "in custody"?

Note that actively resisting arrest does not mean in custody.

snood wrote:

Or of cops shooting an unarmed white suspect. You can't.

I can't because no such videos are ever released. If an unarmed white person tries to murder a police officer, everyone already understands that the officer had the right to defend himself, and there is no controversy about the shooting.

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