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The Derek Chauvin Trial

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 07:42 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
pardoning murderous soldier war criminals,

Collateral damage is neither murder nor a war crime. His pardon was just. Those heroes did not deserve to be mistreated the way they were.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 07:50 am
War hero?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 08:28 am
@hightor,
I was actually thinking of those blackwater guys. But it is possible that this guy was railroaded too.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 08:31 am
@oralloy,
Is it hard for you to imagine a US soldier as evil and murderous? Can you even picture it in your mind?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 08:53 am
@snood,
I prefer facts and reality over progressive delusion. In the real world America are the good guys.

So no. I don't picture it in my mind.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 09:41 am
I want to call everyone’s attention to the use of words here...

I simply asked Oralloy if he was able to imagine an evil soldier. Like, ‘can you picture it’, or ‘are you capable of conceiving it’?

He did not answer ‘no, I can’t’.
He answered no, I don’t .

These are the kind of people who cannot learn. They know only what they want to know. And regardless of objective fact, they won’t know what they choose not to know.

I hope that trait was not passed along in his gene pool.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 09:48 am
@snood,
My ability to learn is infinitely greater than your ability to learn.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 10:07 am
Judge: Chauvin Treated Floyd With ‘Particular Cruelty,’ Should Get Longer Sentence
https://www.thedailybeast.com/derek-chauvin-should-get-longer-sentence-for-george-floyd-death-judge-says
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 02:57 pm
@oralloy,
Oralloy, as a guy supposedly acquainted with honesty - you should know that honesty requires that you don't lie to yourself, particularly about your reasoning for your actions. Telling yourself fibs about the reasons you did something, isn't honest.

Ignoring facts & truths you see is not being honest with yourself about the facts & truths. It is impossible that she did not see all of the massive & numerous differences inside his appartment (compared to hers). To ignore all of the things she had to ignore...is not honest with herself. To ignore the why of all of the behaviours she would ahve had to deal with, is not honest with herself. She size & amount of things she had to ignore means she decided (consciously or subconsciously) to ignore the facts & truths of the matter - ie. dishonest with herself..

At the end of the day, people have to take responsibility for their decisions, their reasoning for their decisions, and their actions. This is why you can unlawfully kill someone through very poor choices, without necessary intent to kill (the difference between manslaughter and murder).
vikorr wrote:
You don't apply any actual argument to 'honest' or 'unreasonable' or 'reasonable'.
oralloy wrote:
So what?
ROFL Seriously? Reasonable by the very definition of the word means "able to be reasoned" - if not a single person is able to reason how a normal person could do such a thing...it isn't reasonable.. You are trying to argue that you don't have to reason / have no reason why her actions are honest in your mind...but still call your opinion reasonable.

This is why you opinion is a substanceless chant.
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Your denial of reality is evidence of your racism.
Uh huh. The only person who is making race an issue in the right & wrong of this incident is you. Had she shot a white person - my statements would be exactly the same. Had the cop been black, my statements would be exactly the same. Fact is, I dont mention race in the right & wrong of this because there is absolutely nothing here that changes based on race.

But you want to make it about race - what motivation could you possibly have to try and make the reasoning for right or wrong about race?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 03:58 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
It is impossible that she did not see all of the massive & numerous differences inside his apartment (compared to hers).

No it isn't. And you only say that it is impossible because of your anti-white racism.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 04:02 pm
@oralloy,
Uh huh...so once again, not able to reason your beliefs out. Neither for your position, nor against my statements

And no - substanceless chants don't count as reasoning.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 04:06 pm
@vikorr,
I did not state any beliefs. Had I done so I would have been able to back them up.

What I did do is point out facts and reality that contradict your racist claims.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 04:08 pm
@oralloy,
What can anyone say when you are prepared to lie to yourself so much? Rolling Eyes Drunk
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 04:10 pm
@vikorr,
The only person here who is lying is you. Your racist lies are pretty despicable.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 06:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

I was actually thinking of those blackwater guys. But it is possible that this guy was railroaded too.


"those blackwater guys" were mercenaries, they were not US military.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 10:33 am
Georgia Supreme Court rules that you CAN use force, and damage property, to resist an unlawful arrest
https://www.thenorthstar.com/p/georgia-supreme-court-rules-that?fbclid=IwAR1EhVuYK_nKc2NcwWF8MCxPuHKUGC7KUDSwYKsTHk9LL-SOM-werXgf0zA
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 12:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
Interesting read. What is more interesting is that fleeing a policeman engaging in an unlawful arrest is perfectly legal according to this although it might get you a bullet in the back.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 02:09 pm
@engineer,
That bullet in the back thing makes me wonder how any of it will work.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 02:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
I’m just tripping out over the way they can blatantly cover-up the cops’ actions. They leak out a few seconds at a time of heavily edited body cam recording to the family. The whole purpose of making cops wear body cams was transparency, but they are keeping two hours of combined footage from several officers hidden.

At first, they were saying they would release it when all the officers’ faces were obscured on the videos. That was weeks ago.

I’m sure there have been other police coverups in the past, but this one seems so obvious and brazen.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 02:30 pm
@snood,
Transparency was good back when it looked like the police would be treated fairly, but now with these BLM goons trying to lynch honest police officers who have done nothing wrong, transparency is a bad thing.
 

 
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