Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2021 07:52 pm
We know the story. God plops Adam and Eve in the Garden and they were evil because they disobeyed and ate the fruit.

But I've been watching the Autodale series on Youtube, and someone made this point:

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You live in a garden, where everything is wonderful.you are immortal, you have a partner, you have all the food and relaxation time you want, and your only job is a lax job of maintaining the garden. it seems like paradise, but in reality it is no life at all. see, there is nothing to do. the person who made the garden, and created you and your partner as well says that there's only one rule, do not eat a certain fruit from a certain tree, because then you will surely die. if you eat the fruit, you will live a life, experience things, and in general, do stuff. if you don't eat the fruit, you will stay in the garden forever, not living any life at all. do you eat the fruit? or live no life. (btw you can't make any other choices, you have barely any intelligence until you eat the fruit)


Obviously, there's a side effect to all this. You kinda die. And there's the whole sin thing. So would it be good to try to get back into Eden? Or are we supposed to disobey? Or is it kinda some middle ground deal where we try to live life without being evil?
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2021 08:14 am
@bulmabriefs144,
Having given the question a lot of thought, my conclusion was that God wanted them to have that knowledge of good and evil from the start. But he wanted even that choice to be theirs. The eventuality of death was to make sure they took the choice seriously.

God, having given them his own likeness probably knew they would not be happy with that bland existence. What they did after making the choice, he again hoped they would follow the nature he gave them.
But given no experience and free will, there was no guarantee.

This set the stage for the great wager posed by Satan - No one would follow the path God was hoping for. Given these conditions and the distractions Satan could bring to bear, It's a hell of a contest.

But no, God is not a 'middle ground' kind of guy. It's either we figure it out, or we don’t.
That’s how it reads to me anyway.
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2021 03:23 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

We know the story. God plops Adam and Eve in the Garden and they were evil because they disobeyed and ate the fruit.

But I've been watching the Autodale series on Youtube, and someone made this point:

Quote:
You live in a garden, where everything is wonderful.you are immortal, you have a partner, you have all the food and relaxation time you want, and your only job is a lax job of maintaining the garden. it seems like paradise, but in reality it is no life at all. see, there is nothing to do. the person who made the garden, and created you and your partner as well says that there's only one rule, do not eat a certain fruit from a certain tree, because then you will surely die. if you eat the fruit, you will live a life, experience things, and in general, do stuff. if you don't eat the fruit, you will stay in the garden forever, not living any life at all. do you eat the fruit? or live no life. (btw you can't make any other choices, you have barely any intelligence until you eat the fruit)


Obviously, there's a side effect to all this. You kinda die. And there's the whole sin thing. So would it be good to try to get back into Eden? Or are we supposed to disobey? Or is it kinda some middle ground deal where we try to live life without being evil?



In the Christian tradition, we are to follow Adam's lead and sin.

This is proved by the Exsultet hymn that calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

Literalist Christians have just forgotten how their myth goes and that is why they are loony enough to believe in real talking serpents and donkeys.

Regards
DL

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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2021 03:30 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Having given the question a lot of thought, my conclusion was that God wanted them to have that knowledge of good and evil from the start. But he wanted even that choice to be theirs. The eventuality of death was to make sure they took the choice seriously.

God, having given them his own likeness probably knew they would not be happy with that bland existence. What they did after making the choice, he again hoped they would follow the nature he gave them.
But given no experience and free will, there was no guarantee.

This set the stage for the great wager posed by Satan - No one would follow the path God was hoping for. Given these conditions and the distractions Satan could bring to bear, It's a hell of a contest.

But no, God is not a 'middle ground' kind of guy. It's either we figure it out, or we don’t.
That’s how it reads to me anyway.


All that happens in scriptures we are to imagining happening to us. We are to assume all roles.

We are all children of god, so to religiously speak.

I will wish to reproduce true and better than whatever I am.

God would wish the same.

So do you.

God/humans, has done so, but we do not recognize our worthiness yet.

Regards
DL


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