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The enemy within

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 10:25 am
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Britain faces 'the enemy within'

The four suspected suicide bombers were not foreign Al Qaeda fighters but home-grown British radicals.

By Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

LONDON – British police have made a dramatic breakthrough in the hunt for the London bombers, but the discovery that the suspects were young Britons, not hardened Al Qaeda foreigners, has heightened jitters and raised questions about how Britain prosecutes the war on terror. Police now say that the 7/7 attacks could be the first suicide bombings ever in Western Europe. They believe the perpetrators were second-generation Britons of Pakistani descent aged 18 to 30, possibly acting with some outside help.

If substantiated, the vigorous and rapid police work would give credence to the idea that Britain has more to fear from an "enemy within" than from shadowy Al Qaeda cells abroad.

Experts say the challenge for authorities now will be to combat terrorism by bolstering mainstream Muslim society to ensure no further defections to the fanatical jihadi camp. This effort, they say, should focus as much on acts of civic integration and inclusion as on the security-led war on terror that has alienated many.

Prime Minister Tony Blair hinted as much Wednesday when he told Parliament that "security measures alone are not going to deal with this." Still, he noted that the government would press ahead with legislation cracking down on those who incite hatred and violence, while seeking to banish foreigners who whip up terrorist fervor.

But he emphasized that no less important were initiatives to help the stricken Muslim community isolate the extremists in its midst. Success, he suggested, would come from confronting the "extreme and evil ideology" behind the attacks. And "this evil within the Muslim community," he argued, can only be defeated by the community itself. To that end, he urged the moderate voice of Islam to drown out the voluble extremism amplified globally.

Homegrown hard-liners

It's no secret that Britain has for years provided fertile soil for Islamic hard-liners. Some radical imams freely deliver Friday sermons filled with invective against Britain and "infidels."


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Have the chickens come home to roost. The claim that we are fighting the terrorists in the middle east instead of having to fight them at home just won't wash when they are home grown.

Firepower and armies will not win this fight. Enlisting and getting full cooperation from the Islamic communities both here and abroad will. In particularly because of their influence from the religious leaders.
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 09:10 am
Op-Ed Columnist


A Poverty of Dignity and a Wealth of Rage
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By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: July 15, 2005
A few years ago I was visiting Bahrain and sitting with friends in a fish restaurant when news appeared on an overhead TV about Muslim terrorists, men and women, who had taken hostages in Russia. What struck me, though, was the instinctive reaction of the Bahraini businessman sitting next to me, who muttered under his breath, "Why are we in every story?" The "we" in question was Muslims.

The answer to that question is one of the most important issues in geopolitics today: Why are young Sunni Muslim males, from London to Riyadh and Bali to Baghdad, so willing to blow up themselves and others in the name of their religion? Of course, not all Muslims are suicide bombers; it would be ludicrous to suggest that.

But virtually all suicide bombers, of late, have been Sunni Muslims. There are a lot of angry people in the world. Angry Mexicans. Angry Africans. Angry Norwegians. But the only ones who seem to feel entitled and motivated to kill themselves and totally innocent people, including other Muslims, over their anger are young Sunni radicals. What is going on?

Neither we nor the Muslim world can run away from this question any longer. This is especially true when it comes to people like Muhammad Bouyeri - a Dutch citizen of Moroccan origin who last year tracked down the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, a critic of Islamic intolerance, on an Amsterdam street, shot him 15 times and slit his throat with a butcher knife. He told a Dutch court on the final day of his trial on Tuesday: "I take complete responsibility for my actions. I acted purely in the name of my religion."

Clearly, several things are at work. One is that Europe is not a melting pot and has never adequately integrated its Muslim minorities, who, as The Financial Times put it, often find themselves "cut off from their country, language and culture of origin" without being assimilated into Europe, making them easy prey for peddlers of a new jihadist identity.

Also at work is Sunni Islam's struggle with modernity. Islam has a long tradition of tolerating other religions, but only on the basis of the supremacy of Islam, not equality with Islam. Islam's self-identity is that it is the authentic and ideal expression of monotheism. Muslims are raised with the view that Islam is God 3.0, Christianity is God 2.0, Judaism is God 1.0, and Hinduism is God 0.0.

Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.

"Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better," said Raymond Stock, the Cairo-based biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz. "When the inner conflict becomes too great, some are turned by recruiters to seek the sick prestige of 'martyrdom' by fighting the allegedly unjust occupation of Muslim lands and the 'decadence' in our own."

This is not about the poverty of money. This is about the poverty of dignity and the rage it can trigger.

One of the London bombers was married, with a young child and another on the way. I can understand, but never accept, suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel as part of a nationalist struggle. But when a British Muslim citizen, nurtured by that society, just indiscriminately blows up his neighbors and leaves behind a baby and pregnant wife, to me he has to be in the grip of a dangerous cult or preacher - dangerous to his faith community and to the world.

How does that happen? Britain's Independent newspaper described one of the bombers, Hasib Hussain, as having recently undergone a sudden conversion "from a British Asian who dressed in Western clothes to a religious teenager who wore Islamic garb and only stopped to say salaam to fellow Muslims."

The secret of this story is in that conversion - and so is the crisis in Islam. The people and ideas that brought about that sudden conversion of Hasib Hussain and his pals - if not stopped by other Muslims - will end up converting every Muslim into a suspect and one of the world's great religions into a cult of death.
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 05:26 pm
Jul 16, 4:22 PM EDT
Messages Hint at London Blast Recruiting

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By BRIAN MURPHY
AP Religion Writer

LEEDS, England (AP) -- Amear Ali remembers how the film images clicked by in rapid-fire sequence to a soundtrack of pounding drums: dead Iraqi children, Palestinians under siege, Guantanamo prisoners, snippets of President Bush repeating the word "crusade."

"You could see how it could turn someone to raw hate," said Ali, recalling his brush last year with the hard-edged marketing of extremism at an Islamic bookstore operated by his brother-in-law. "It even started working on me. Then I said to myself, `Get out. This stuff is poison.'"

The shop was drawn deeper Saturday into the international investigation of the July 7 London bombings, and Ali's introductions into the militant messages could help explain the possible recruitment tactics used in the neighborhood where the suicide mission apparently took shape.


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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 05:31 pm
Re: The enemy within
au1929 wrote:

Have the chickens come home to roost. The claim that we are fighting the terrorists in the middle east instead of having to fight them at home just won't wash when they are home grown.

Prove that we will not ultimately encounter less terrorist violence in the US by attempting to confront our enemies where they live.

au1929 wrote:
Firepower and armies will not win this fight.

Evidence for this claim?
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 05:34 pm
Re: The enemy within
Brandon9000 wrote:
au1929 wrote:

Have the chickens come home to roost. The claim that we are fighting the terrorists in the middle east instead of having to fight them at home just won't wash when they are home grown.

Prove that we will not ultimately encounter less terrorist violence in the US by attempting to confront our enemies where they live.


And where would that be?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 05:48 pm
Brandon9000

What good will armies and sophisticated weapons be against a terrorist that is your next door neighbor? ?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 06:17 pm
Jul 16, 4:34 PM EDT
Minibus Explosion in Turkey Leaves 5 Dead
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By LOUIS MEIXLER
Associated Press Writer

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A bomb tore apart a minibus in a popular Aegean beach resort town Saturday, killing at least five people, including two foreigners, the second explosion in a week aimed at Turkey's vital tourism industry.

The blast in the coastal city of Kusadasi, a favorite destination for British, Irish and German tourists, reduced the bus to a scorched, twisted heap of metal.

A man's charred body was shown in news photos draped over the remains of a seat and an injured woman lay on the road, just a few yards from the beach. Civilians rushed to the bus after the attack and carried the injured away from the burning wreckage.

Police boosted security in the town, searching cars as they entered and patrolling the town's center with dogs.


Terrorism is the order of the day and knows no border. It could be labeled WW111
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2005 07:44 pm
Finally a real thread about Karl Rove
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