R.I.P. The 1st amendment 1791-2021

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

reference to the First Amendment is a straw man argument since the First Amendment does not protect insurrection

No it isn't. You are totally mangling the rules of logic. That is not even remotely what a straw man argument is.

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@oralloy,

Yes it is.

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@InfraBlue,

Your ignorance of basic logic is breathtaking.

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@oralloy,

The reason longjon's First Amendment argument is a straw man is because the First Amendment deals with actions of the government, whereas I was referring to Trump's banning by social media which are non-governmental entities.

Straw man arguments such as longjon's and yours as well tend to serve as red herrings as well, because they're effective in throwing off the discussion from the actual argument.

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@InfraBlue,

You have no idea what a straw man argument even is.

You are misusing the term badly.

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@oralloy,

Uh-huh.

Nuh-uh.

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@InfraBlue,

As I said, your ignorance of basic logic is breathtaking.

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Could the leftists here please at least admit that they are fundamentally against the 1st amendment?

Can they act like a grown ups and at least admit that they prefer authoritarianism over the principles that America was founded on?

At least don't pretend you support civil liberties if you're actively working against them. That's not too much to ask.

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@longjon,

longjon wrote:

Could the leftists here please at least admit that they are fundamentally against the 1st amendment?

Can they act like a grown ups and at least admit that they prefer authoritarianism over the principles that America was founded on?

At least don't pretend you support civil liberties if you're actively working against them. That's not too much to ask.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument.

Well done Longjon.

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@oralloy,

As I said, Your assumptions about my knowledge of ignorance are asinine.

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@InfraBlue,

I made no assumptions about your knowledge of ignorance.

I'm not sure what knowledge of ignorance even means.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument.

Actually, it isn't.

You might try to argue that the left is being falsely accused. However, the allegedly-untrue accusations are not for the purpose of setting up a fake position to be defeated by a disingenuous argument. So even if the accusations are untrue, it is not a straw man argument.

And, as it happens, his accusations are 100% true. Progressives are wannabe Stalinists. It is entirely fair to denounce them as such.

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@maxdancona,

Leftists support government control of speech under the auspice of "private companies" (who in reality are in bed with the government) doing the silencing for them.

Leftists simply cannot engage in this behavior and also claim to support free speech.

Leftists are against free speech.

Fact.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I made no assumptions about your knowledge of ignorance.

I'm not sure what knowledge of ignorance even means.

Ha, that was an errant cut and paste.

Your assumptions about my knowledge are asinine.

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@longjon,

Sensible people support government control of speech.

You shouldn't be allowed to fraudulently yell "fire" in a crowded theater—or publicly incite violence and murder, for that matter.

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@InfraBlue,

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You shouldn't be allowed to fraudulently yell "fire" in a crowded theater—or publicly incite violence and murder, for that matter.

That is not the same thing as having a political opinion that the left disagrees with. And that's exactly what's being censored.

Leftists are tyrants.

You have blue hair don't you? And I bet you hate your dad. I bet you wear t-shirts with the F word on them, don't you? And you listen to scream-o music.

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@longjon,

longjon wrote:

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You shouldn't be allowed to fraudulently yell "fire" in a crowded theater—or publicly incite violence and murder, for that matter.

That is not the same thing as having a political opinion that the left disagrees with. And that's exactly what's being censored.

Leftists are tyrants.

You have blue hair don't you? And I bet you hate your dad. I bet you wear t-shirts with the F word on them, don't you? And you listen to scream-o music.

Blue Hair?

For the record, I think blue hair is perfectly acceptable on a straw man.

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@longjon,

longjon wrote:

Quote:
You shouldn't be allowed to fraudulently yell "fire" in a crowded theater—or publicly incite violence and murder, for that matter.

That is not the same thing as having a political opinion that the left disagrees with. And that's exactly what's being censored.

Leftists are tyrants.

You have blue hair don't you? And I bet you hate your dad. I bet you wear t-shirts with the F word on them, don't you? And you listen to scream-o music.

Your mother called and boy is she pissed. She found that box of blue hair dye and said if you aren't home in 15 minutes she's going to shut off your phone and computer. ((Dude, she sounds serious, if I were you (and thankfully I'm not) I'd hurry before she thinks of some other additional punishment))

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And that's exactly what's being censored.

Lying about an election being "fraudulent" when it was, in fact, legitimate and secure, is not the same thing as having a political opinion that the left disagrees with.

Inciting a mob to prevent the lawful work of Congress is not the same thing as having a political opinion that the left disagrees with.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

...Which of them inflamed a mob and directed it to storm the Capitol?....

President Trump did not inflame a mob and direct it to storm the Capitol unless you mean that he asked them to have a protest march to petition for redress of grievances, which is a Constitutionally guaranteed right. Your description is false.

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