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What will Trump's Legacy be?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 11:06 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
A woman climbing through the door of the Capital building was shot to death.

It's pretty Orwellian of you to use the shooting of a peaceful protester as an argument that they were not peaceful.


neptuneblue wrote:
Four others lost their lives.

Only one was murdered by the protesters. And I do not count the murderers as having been peaceful.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 11:07 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I know the guy is maddening and his repetitive nonsense cries out for satire and criticism but I doubt these discussions would suffer if we all simply ignored him. It's not as if we'd miss anything informative, erudite, or scintillating:

Progressives sure do hate people who post facts and logic.

Us truth-tellers are lucky that progressives can't bring back the days of their hero Stalin when they could just make people disappear.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 11:09 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Try to remember that when you consistently and blindly only back up police who wantonly kill suspects.

Police don't wantonly kill people. And there is nothing blind about my support for them.


farmerman wrote:
George Flloyd for example?? Where were his civil rights as he died under a policemans foot???

Who cares. Amy Cooper was a far more important case to pay attention to.


farmerman wrote:
Your late for your existence . WARHAMMER awaits you

I've never played Warhammer.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 12:48 pm
@oralloy,
Orwellian?

Oralloy, she tried to climb through a secured building's smashed window.

Don't argue that's peaceful in any way.

oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 01:36 pm
@neptuneblue,
Climbing through a window is NOT an act of violence.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 01:49 pm
@oralloy,
busting the window's bullet proof glass in order to climb through is, and anyone using that mode thereafter is similarly complicit. thats a B and E.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 02:11 pm
@farmerman,
I don't know the details yet. But it seems the police officers job is to protect the legislators. Shooting anyone who breaks through the door where the legislators are fleeing seems reasonable to me. The police have to draw the line somewhere.

Crawling through the window seems to have been what triggered the shooting.

I watched the videos. I would have shot the asshole who was punching the window right next to the police officer's head. That police officer is a saint.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 03:04 pm
@maxdancona,
the glass was bullet resistent with lexan layering. You saw how they had to continuously punch holes .Next time theyll bring chqrges so I think the cops are going to be adjusting strategies to more preemptive means as we speak.
Ive worked in several National Labs and the DOE "Army" takes no prisoners. Neither does a USAF SAC base where Nukes are in storage near B-52 , B-2 flitelines..
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 03:49 pm
@farmerman,
I took a team of analysts to tour Calvert Cliffs, not only did we have to submit our identifications in a advance but before we were allowed to tour we were searched. If I knew some stranger in a uniform was going to physically search my person looking for 'weapons, devices, dangerous stuff' I may have not gone. They knew we were government employees but they had a procedure they had to follow. There were armed guards everywhere......I don't know why I was surprised because I worked on a Military Base in an Agency that had heavily armed guards and during high alert times, snipers all over the place. It really was naive of me to think a Nuclear Power Plant wouldn't have been heavily guarded....I think I was just accustomed to breezing thru checkpoints with my badge.

That was the long way around to say that if a mob of screaming rioters were advancing on the Fort or the Nuclear Facility there would have been heavy resistance as well as immediate reaction from every conceivable agency that has armed police/guards/peacekeepers. Two years ago, there was an active shooter in the News Room of the Capital in Annapolis. We live just minutes away and the first indication something was wrong was the massive amount of emergency vehicles (no sirens or lights) flying past our community. Armed personnel were streaming in from Ft. Meade, The Naval Academy, State and County Police, DEA, Coast Guard, Surrounding Counties, I know I missed some orgs but suddenly there were more policemen than residents.

My point is, massive forces across Jurisdictions, State, County, City, Federal were there in minutes.................there is no reason in the world there wasn't a similar reaction when the anarchists stormed the Capitol Building.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 04:13 pm
@glitterbag,
I think Cap Police andDc may have to install methods similar to those security systems in effect at the National Labs or USAF SAC. .
I especially recall once when the "Apes" (Air police) of one SAC base took us down and hd my tam of survyors on the ground along with a "Bioenvironmental engineering director" of the USAF base. He was a bird and the APES love nothing better than to make officers get dirty. e ere held for about an hour while our ids and work orders were checked with base security an ngineering.
Some base staffer was supposed to get all our clearances in order before w made it to the Flight line. He didnt do this and we lost pretty much the rest of the day because th general was chewing out the bio-environmental engineer director and we were put up in BaOQ's and fed like kings. The general came over later and shared some scotch with us and explained their security and how those CHEVY SUBURBANS with the slide away rear roofs, were outfitted with a 30 cal gatling and a porta RPG carrier. They have other security vehicles that emit death decibels of high pitched sound. These can cover areas like fooball field size,

You have a nuke or twenty in a deep cave approached by a RR and this whole area is under 24-7 security by guys who really want to use their tools.
They can do anything if they set thir mind to it. That hairshirted Swedish Chef woulda been roadkill or stone deaf (thats their idea of non=lethal site control)


I think that the security methods shoild be backed up and treated like the Nat Labs or the Military. Those guys do AREA CONTROL and anything within an area is neutralized or controlled by just being there.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 04:15 pm
@glitterbag,
Quite fmiliar with Solomons an the facilities. Nuff said.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 04:17 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Who cares. Amy Cooper was a far more important case to pay attention to
???YOU sure youre not 14 yers old?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:06 pm
@farmerman,
My age is none of anyone's business, but there is no reason to associate my superior ethics and morality with youthfulness.

I'm not saying that young people can't be ethical, but there is no reason to presume that an ethical person has to be young.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:07 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Climbing through a window is NOT an act of violence.

busting the window's bullet proof glass in order to climb through is,

Nonsense. No it isn't.


farmerman wrote:
thats a B and E.

True.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:08 pm
@oralloy,
youre trying to be glib, but even that aint working for you. Id suggest you hire a comic writer so you dont come over as totally clueless.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:11 pm
@farmerman,
I am not trying to do anything of the sort.

Your inability to point out any untrue statements in my post speaks for itself.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:12 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
My age is none of anyone's business
"Superior"??? I was more talking about how , were you 14 years old, Id understand why you come over as so naive
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:13 pm
@farmerman,
Again, your inability to point out anything untrue in my post speaks for itself.

And yes. My ethics and morality are vastly superior to yours.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:25 pm
@oralloy,
youre naive sounding, that is, of itself true.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 05:58 pm
@farmerman,
Funny how you can't point out any untrue statements in my post.
 

 
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