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Islamic Fascist Death Cults

 
 
Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 08:37 am
The United States is currently fighting a war.
It is a war whose breadth rivals the Cold War and World War II.
The most accurate label for this war that I have heard is a war against Islamo-Fascism.
I prefer to narrow the parameters somewhat with the addition of Death Cults. I believe that we, and even the entire civilized world, are at war with Islamic Fascist Death Cults.
To promote clarity, I wish to be unambiguous about the terms I am using.
The enemy we are fighting is Muslim. There are other terrorist groups in the world, but the world wide, intentional murder of innocents, has only been enacted by Islamic groups. Terrorists, claiming that they are acting in the name of Islam, have struck at innocent civilian targets in nearly every country on the earth. This is not true of any other terrorist group or philosophy.
The enemy we are fighting is fascist. Fascism is commonly understood to be a philosophy; a political movement; or a government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator with stringent socioeconomic controls that suppresses the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically has a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. The present Islamic terrorists make the claim that Islam is the only philosophical system that should be allowed to rule; they believe in following a single authority figure; they believe that it is only the Islamic elite who follow their cause that should have control of their economic means; they believe that the murder of innocents is an legitimate tactic in this philosophy; they believe that no other, besides themselves, should be able to speak; they believe that their Islamic philosophy is destined to rule and that all other philosophies should be crushed.
The enemy we are fighting glorifies death and believes that it is the highest philosophical statement that one can make. In this, the Islamic Fascist Death Cultists differ from other Muslims who might wish to see Islam imposed upon the entire world, but who take seriously the prohibitions in Islamic Sharia Law against suicide and the murder of innocents. The Islamic Fascist Death Cultists have created a new Islamic philosophy which is akin to human sacrifice. They believe that their G-d is pleased with the blood of suicides and the blood of those they murder. While this belief is not unique to this group or this time, it is the commonality that ties Islamic Fascist Death Cultists together. They have made a cult out of the death of innocents, no matter what their religion - the innocent victims could well be other Muslims. The thread that ties Islamic Fascist Death Cultists together is their wish to see other human beings suffer and die in the name of their G-d.
This is the war we are fighting. These are the people we are fighting.
There is one additional factor.
The parent group of these Islamic Fascist Death Cultists, which is Islam in general, does not appear to be trying to stop or thwart their Fascist Death Cult progeny.
This seems to be the crux of the problem in our war against Islamic Fascist Death Cults.
How is it possible, or is it possible at all, to get the leaders; the rulers; the religious authorities; the opinion makers; those who do not believe that Islam promotes the death of innocent victims; to categorically condemn and fight against these Fascist Death Cultists who have usurped their religion?
If the majority of Muslims believe in this Cult of Death, then the United States and other civilized peoples need to recognize this and condemn and fight against Islam everywhere.
If it is only a minority of Muslims that believe in this fascist Cult of Death, then the majority of Muslims need to reassert their authority by proclaiming these Death Cultists to be evil; non-Muslim; and condemned to Hell for their actions.
Why can't the religious authorities of Islam simply state that those who murder innocent people, be they Muslim or non-Muslim, are forever removed from the grace of their G-d and forever condemned as heretics and apostates?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 10:08 am
Re: Islamic Fascist Death Cults
Moishe3rd wrote:
The United States is currently fighting a war.
It is a war whose breadth rivals the Cold War and World War II.


Cold War, certainly, but not World War II, and to say that just the United States is fighting is quite an insult to everyone else that is participating.

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The most accurate label for this war that I have heard is a war against Islamo-Fascism.
I prefer to narrow the parameters somewhat with the addition of Death Cults. I believe that we, and even the entire civilized world, are at war with Islamic Fascist Death Cults.


Oops. Should have read the entire thing. Sorry.

P.S. Don't just believe. The entire civilised world IS at war with these "Death Cults" as you call them. To label them thusly is wrong, but yes, we are at war with them.

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The parent group of these Islamic Fascist Death Cultists, which is Islam in general, does not appear to be trying to stop or thwart their Fascist Death Cult progeny.
This seems to be the crux of the problem in our war against Islamic Fascist Death Cults.
How is it possible, or is it possible at all, to get the leaders; the rulers; the religious authorities; the opinion makers; those who do not believe that Islam promotes the death of innocent victims; to categorically condemn and fight against these Fascist Death Cultists who have usurped their religion?
If the majority of Muslims believe in this Cult of Death, then the United States and other civilized peoples need to recognize this and condemn and fight against Islam everywhere.
If it is only a minority of Muslims that believe in this fascist Cult of Death, then the majority of Muslims need to reassert their authority by proclaiming these Death Cultists to be evil; non-Muslim; and condemned to Hell for their actions.
Why can't the religious authorities of Islam simply state that those who murder innocent people, be they Muslim or non-Muslim, are forever removed from the grace of their G-d and forever condemned as heretics and apostates?


Where the Hell have you been?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4664161.stm
Is the latest condemnation from Muslims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4020159.stm
This one is over the killing of Margaret Hassan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/3729280.stm
Muslims condemnation over Ken Bigley's execution.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3527032.stm
Over the bombing of Christian Churches in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3657153.stm
A march condemning extremism.

Granted, they were quite silent after 2001, but not in recent years, although it was difficult for me to find these articles. It's almost as if someone wants to bury them out of sight and out of mind.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 11:20 am
Wolf,
I appreciate the links and your sentiments.
My reason for writing this piece was to find its flaws. You have helped me do so.
It is obvious that the condemnation of this sort of Death Cultism cannot just be from Muslims who are able to do so, by the virtue of the fact that they live in a part of the world that allows them free speech without the threat of death, but these condemnations must come from what are considered the Islamic centers of Learning and Sharia Law.
To the best of my understanding, these are specifically in Egypt; Saudi Arabia and Iran.
I believe, in order to serve the need for censure of those who kill innocents in the name of their G-d, that the political and religious condemnations would need to come from these places.
Or perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps these religious authorities hold no power. I do not know...

(Your third link was actually Muslims condeming Bush and Blair; while the fourth was the Grand Ayatollah Sistani. Although I respect him greatly as a true scholar and a man who has decided to hew to the side of justice, I do not think that his condemnation of terrorism specifically in Iraq carries much weight with the Islamic Fasicst Death Cultists.)
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2005 05:59 am
Moishe3rd wrote:
Wolf,
I appreciate the links and your sentiments.
My reason for writing this piece was to find its flaws. You have helped me do so.
It is obvious that the condemnation of this sort of Death Cultism cannot just be from Muslims who are able to do so, by the virtue of the fact that they live in a part of the world that allows them free speech without the threat of death, but these condemnations must come from what are considered the Islamic centers of Learning and Sharia Law.


Ah, now we are getting somewhere.

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To the best of my understanding, these are specifically in Egypt; Saudi Arabia and Iran.


Erm... you're being a bit too minimalist, but yeah, that's a start.

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I believe, in order to serve the need for censure of those who kill innocents in the name of their G-d, that the political and religious condemnations would need to come from these places.
Or perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps these religious authorities hold no power. I do not know...


I expect that this isn't just an issue of mere not condemning. It is an issue of Freedom of Speech and education.

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(Your third link was actually Muslims condeming Bush and Blair;


True, but they also condemned the killers as well, as reflected in this extract from the article:

"Dr Naseem also condemned Mr Bigley's captors for their crime against the human race and against God.

He said his sentiments reflected the feelings of Muslims across the city.

A book of condolence has been opened at the mosque."

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while the fourth was the Grand Ayatollah Sistani. Although I respect him greatly as a true scholar and a man who has decided to hew to the side of justice, I do not think that his condemnation of terrorism specifically in Iraq carries much weight with the Islamic Fasicst Death Cultists.)


Nor apparently do the voices of Muslims in the US, UK and other free countries.

Face it. Condemnation from Muslims isn't going to influence Islamic Terrorists at all. It merely shows people of other faiths and religions that not all Muslims are crazed maniacs.

The halt of Islamic Terrorism can only be done, through the removal of recruitment factors such as poverty, general anger with a dash of helplessness and lots of good will.
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