Religions and supernatural beliefs are the enemy of world peace, as shown by 5000 years of war.

Ok Frank.

Do you believe that slavery is wrong? Or is this just an opinion.

Yes Frank

1. I believe that Slavery is wrong.
2. The belief that slavery is wrong is a supernatural belief.

Just to be clear...

The OP is trying to say that his beliefs are superior to other people's beliefs, because the beliefs of other people are "supernatural". The implication is that the OP's beliefs aren't supernatural. That is what I am calling bullshit.

All human belief systems are based on beliefs that can't be proven by experiment. Everyone has things that they can't prove... they just know that it is true. That is the definition of "faith".

We all strongly believe that slavery is wrong. We all take this as a matter of faith.

Slavery exists (in several forms) in the Animal kingdom, from ants that raid other colonies to get enslaved workers to primates where the alpha male physically controls a harem and keeps other males from reproducing.

In order for you to believe that slavery is wrong in humans, you need to believe that

1. Humans are fundamentally different than animals
2. Humans are born with rights to dignity and freedom.

We all believe these things without proof (although for most of human history slavery has been morally acceptable). So all of a sudden these moral values are somehow absolute, unquestionable truth. There is no scientific experiment to say that slavery, or caste systems, or domination of one individual over another is wrong... and in the animal kingdom I think most of us accept that animals don't have these moral restrictions.

Believing things to be absolute truth without any proof is the definition of supernatural. That is how faith works.

A supernatural belief is something you believe without proof.

You and I both believe that slavery is wrong. That isn't the issue. The issue is that you believe that your supernatural beliefs are superior to other people's supernatural beliefs. They are not (in any objective way).

You have a set of core beliefs that you know to be true even though you can't prove them.

All I am saying is that you are not superior to religious people. You have your supernatural beliefs. They have theirs. Supernatural beliefs are part of being human, if you are human, you have them.

It is my opinion that slavery is wrong.

Quote:

Be a Gnostic and recognize the evil of religions

I take this to mean that Gnosticism is superior to these religions (which have "evil").

Is Gnosticism better than any other religion?

If you are going to play the "Gnoticism isn't a religion" crap... then I will change the question.

"Is Gnosticism better than any other belief system"?

Greatest I am wrote:

Religions and supernatural beliefs are the enemy of world peace, as shown by 5000 years of war.

Supernatural believing faith-based religious hierarchies have been lying so much to their people that the more vulnerable of their people actually believe the --- mythical, allegorical, imaginary icons that they are persuaded,--- against all logic and reason, --- to believe in as real.

That is abuse to a mind.

A mind is a person’s most treasured possession and to allow liars and con men to effect and infect so many minds, --- should be made illegal, as well as a sin, --- but of course, --- the world is not ready for a moral religious lesson.

Logic, reason, logos, intelligent thinking, --- it seems, --- are no match against the vile con men who run the religions and the mythos they and the faith poison they use to damage precious minds.

We and our ancestors have paid a high price to the religious con men that have damaged so many minds. A huge price in minds, cash as well as; world peace.

Those con men should be censored.

Religions are a good thing. They have just forgotten that they were created to produce peace.

Not the God damned God produced 5,000 years of our war filled history.

While those same religions oppressed non-believers, women and gays. As the majority, the religious also impose poverty.

The supernatural belief fostered by the mainstream, --- immoral, homophobic, and misogynous religions, --- and their con men hierarchy, --- are not a friend to peace.

They should be outlawed as soon as possible.

This would allow what Jesus preached in terms of electing a human God.

Human Gods can make peace and I suggest we elect one, as in the Roman System, democracy; to bring peace to the world that we are God damned destroying for our children.

Their precious minds are in your hands.

Logos or mythos must be chosen by all.

Peace wants Logos, not mythos, faith, or an unproven supernatural concept of any kind.

Trust the method for peace that Jesus preached. Elect a God. A man.

Jesus asked his people if they had forgotten that they were Gods.

Most had, but not the Gnostics who had taught the Roman Jesus.

Be a Gnostic and recognize the evil of religions, as well as the good parts.

I would prefer to focus on the good, but my love has created a great hate for the religious con men who harm so many.

That hate forces me to call them out, even as I recognize the need for community churches. Less so now as in the past.

Our world cannot afford to lose good minds to religious faith based supernatural thinking that is helping to destroy our world.

Peace and decent morality would like to prevail.

Be decent parents and people and tell your children that there is nothing to fear from the supernatural, because there is only good, in what you can imagine somehow; even if you do not see it in your imagination immediately. Think dreams.

Minds are too precious to allow frivolous impairment with supernatural beliefs.

Save your mind by discarding faith without facts and the imaginary supernatural realm.

Please.

Regards
DL

In a discussion of topics like this, "beliefs" are merely blind guesses about the REALITY.

Some people blindly guess there is at least one god...and that the god can be offended or pleased by things humans do...and will reward what pleases and punish what offends.

Some people blindly guess that there is a "higher something" that has no concerns about what humans do or do not do.

Some people blindly guess there are no gods.

Some people simply avoid blindly guessing on the issue; acknowledge that they do not know enough about the REALITY to comment on it...and then live their lives as best they can according to standards they set for themselves.

Seems we have discussed this in other fora, DL.

So what's up?

Ok Frank.

Do you believe that slavery is wrong? Or is this just an opinion.

Yes Frank

1. I believe that Slavery is wrong.
2. The belief that slavery is wrong is a supernatural belief.

My core belief is that human beings have rights. This is not an opinion, it is simply true.

I state this without any proof. It is an article of faith. That is what makes it a supernatural belief.

maxdancona wrote:

My core belief is that human beings have rights. This is not an opinion, it is simply true.

I state this without any proof. It is an article of faith. That is what makes it a supernatural belief.

I think you are miss-using the terms

Get the dictionary definitions for faith and supernatural and we can compare.

Regards
DL

Not me, as I have not bumped into a decent apologist for some time.

We both seem to recognize that most are in Socrates' cave and looking at shadows of reality.

Gnosis is for those who seek the real reality.

We think it better than doing as Christians do in thinking that a genocidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religions are somehow good.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

My core belief is that human beings have rights. This is not an opinion, it is simply true.

I state this without any proof. It is an article of faith. That is what makes it a supernatural belief.

I think you are miss-using the terms

Get the dictionary definitions for faith and supernatural and we can compare.

Regards
DL

su·per·nat·u·ral
/ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
Cómo se pronuncia
adjective
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
"a supernatural being"

I am using the word correctly. Now... tell me how humans have rights based on science or the laws of nature.

As I said...

This is just another my religion is better than their religion thread.

Greatest I am wrote:

Not me, as I have not bumped into a decent apologist for some time.

We both seem to recognize that most are in Socrates' cave and looking at shadows of reality.

Gnosis is for those who seek the real reality.

We think it better than doing as Christians do in thinking that a genocidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religions are somehow good.

Regards
DL

Thanks for your reply, DL.

I'm not a fan of labels. I try to use "agnostic" as a descriptor as little as possible...and much prefer to state my take on REALITY questions with specificity.

In any case, I think many of us who are outside mainstream "Christianity" tend to be more observant of the teachings ascribed to Jesus...than the people who publicly proclaim their "Christianity." Especially the evangelical Christians of America...who seem to **** on those teachings...and instead tout nonsense to which Jesus never spoke.