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A Trump campaign ad used (doctored) photos of Biden.

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2020 07:41 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Trump says is mostly gobbleygook and outright lies.

What outright lies?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 05:32 am
@coldjoint,
youre really not that bright are you?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 07:07 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:

It would be hilarious if there wasn't idiots out there who buy into his bullshit.

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Idiots that would buy into that nonsense would not vote for anyone but Trump in any case so they are wasting the Russian and others money.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 01:36 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
youre really not that bright are you?

That is not an answer. What outright lies?
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 03:40 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

There a lot of people out there that know there is a war against religion (Christianity) in this country. Trump is rightly pointing out Democrats are waging that war. You do not have to buy facts, they are free.


There are many DIFFERENT religions. The only war being waged is Trump's against anything besides Christianity. In a country that's FOR religious freedom, Trump makes sure everyone else is left out.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 03:43 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
The only war being waged is Trump's against anything besides Christianity.

How about an example?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 03:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Trump Uses Religious Freedom Day to Violate Religious Freedom For Public Schoolchildren And Millions Of Vulnerable People

Jan 16, 2020

President Trump chose National Religious Freedom Day – when we commemorate the foundation of church-state separation in America – to chip away at religious freedom protections for America’s public school students and some of our country’s most vulnerable people.

Today, the Department of Education issued new federal guidance that opens the floodgates for coercive prayer and religious activity in our public schools. Additionally, the Trump administration proposed to roll back regulations for faith-based service providers, putting people at risk by undermining critical religious freedom and civil rights protections.

“President Trump isn’t trying to protect religious freedom; he’s pandering to religious extremists who want to inject a narrow set of religious beliefs into our public schools and taxpayer-funded services,” said Rachel Laser, president and CEO of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. “On Religious Freedom Day of all days, we must make clear that religious freedom demands that everyone be free to practice their faith, or no faith at all, but only so long as they don’t harm others. Religious freedom is not a license to grant unparalleled religious privilege.”

School Prayer Guidance:

Issued by Trump, Attorney General William Barr and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, the guidance invites religious coercion in our public schools. This will lead to bullying, harassment and ostracism that will predominantly impact LGBTQ students and religious minorities – students already at risk from the rise in hate crimes and discrimination in our country. Already, about 75 percent of the religious freedom violations reported to Americans United occur in our public schools.

“We couldn’t agree more with President Trump that students should never be discriminated against for voluntarily praying at school – that is why AU fights every day to protect the First Amendment, which already guarantees them that right,” Laser said. “What the president has failed to do, however, is protect those students who do not wish to participate in religious activity. [/b[i]]We have no doubt that the president’s use of his microphone to invite prayer in public schools opens the door to more constitutional violations such as students feeling pressured to bow their heads at school events or participate in team baptisms. Anyone who truly values religious freedom knows we must protect everyone’s right to pray, or not pray, as they choose, free from government intrusion.”

Specifically, the guidelines:

Encourage students to speak “persuasively” about religion to their classmates, opening the door to proselytism and harassment.
Encourage students to pray at school events, including graduations, sporting events and student assemblies.

Invite public school teachers to participate in religious activities with impressionable students.

Invite discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs and against LGBTQ children by school-sponsored religious student groups.

Create a process for intrusion into local school districts by the federal government regarding school prayer and religious activity in order to override their decisions.

For a detailed look into school prayer, read this report by Americans United, an organization founded nearly 75 years ago to protect religious freedom in public schools. “Praying for Common Sense: The Truth About Religion in Public Schools” outlines the constitutional violations set out in today’s guidelines, a history of federal law and Supreme Court precedent on religion in schools, and real-life violations from schools across the country.

Regulations for Faith-Based Organizations:

The administration’s proposed rules would apply to thousands of organizations receiving billions of taxpayer dollars to provide services such as foster care, food assistance for children and the elderly, preschool, housing assistance, disaster recovery aid, mental health and substance abuse treatment, help for survivors of domestic violence, vocational training and veterans services.

“These rules undermine the civil rights and religious freedom of millions of our most vulnerable Americans who rely on social services – with particularly dire consequences for LGBTQ people and religious minorities,” Laser said. “No one should be denied the help they need because their government-funded provider condemns who they are, who they love, or what they believe.”

The rules would:

Strip away existing protections that require faith-based providers to offer an alternate provider if people feel unwelcome or uncomfortable because of the religious affiliation, activities or messages of a faith-based organization.
This puts people’s chances of getting help at risk because they may feel pressured to participate in religious activity or be surrounded by religious symbols that differ from their views. If people have to find their own alternative provider, it is one more hurdle they have to face to getting services.

For example: A gay homeless teen might forgo getting services like housing, food, medical care, group and family counseling, or afterschool care if they know the religion of the faith-based provider condemns them for being gay.
Eliminate the requirement that people seeking services be informed of their religious freedom rights – that they can’t be required to pray or participate in religious activities, that they are entitled to be offered an alternate provider and that they can file a complaint if their rights are violated.

Eliminate the safeguard that ensures people who use vouchers to get services have at least one secular alternative to faith-based providers to choose from. As a result, taxpayer funds will be used to pay for religious programming without providing people an alternative. This could have the biggest impact on those living in rural areas where another provider could be miles away or nonexistent.

Put the interests of taxpayer-funded religious organizations ahead of the interests of people who seek government services at every turn. The regulations unduly emphasize the religious exercise, mission and independence of faith-based providers and invite them to seek religious exemptions. In doing so, the rules are paving the way for providers to refuse to provide key services and opening the door to discrimination in taxpayer-funded programs.

By emphasizing the religious character, mission and independence of faith-based providers, the rules are paving the way for providers to require people to participate in religious activities when seeking taxpayer-funded services.

The regulations affect eight federal departments and agencies: The U.S. Departments of Agriculture, Education, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Justice, Labor, Veterans Affairs and the U.S. Agency for International Development. Similar regulations are expected to be issued soon by the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 03:52 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Trump Uses Religious Freedom Day to Violate Religious Freedom For Public Schoolchildren And Millions Of Vulnerable People

Your article itself is anti-religious. Got anything else?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 04:00 pm
@neptuneblue,
I can still remember as a very young atheist in the 1950s being subject to state religion teaching and prayer.

Hiding the King James classroom bible from time to time was all I could do in protest.
Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 04:58 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
I can still remember as a very young atheist in the 1950s being subject to state religion teaching and prayer.

Hiding the King James classroom bible from time to time was all I could do in protest.


Why didn't you just burn down a 7-Eleven?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 05:31 pm
@coldjoint,
You demand proof that Trump is antireligious and when it is presented you try to turn it into something else. Farmarman has you pegged correctly. You even lie to yourself your are so disingenuous.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 08:04 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
You demand proof that Trump is antireligious

And I did not get it. Read the article.
Quote:
“What the president has failed to do, however, is protect those students who do not wish to participate in religious activity.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2020 09:12 pm
@coldjoint,
If the ideal of America is to promote freedom, then the pursuit, or more explicitly, the NON-pursuit of religious liberty must be withheld.

Trump only pushes a Christian doctrine. Therefore, it's un-American.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2020 04:15 am
@Dr Sliptinschit,
Dr Sliptinschit wrote:

Quote:
I can still remember as a very young atheist in the 1950s being subject to state religion teaching and prayer.

Hiding the King James classroom bible from time to time was all I could do in protest.


Why didn't you just burn down a 7-Eleven?


The funny thing my Russian agent is that studies had shown atheists are far more law abiding then so call Christians and far less likely to be in our prisons.

You are doing very badly my silly friend an your supervisors should have you in for some retraining.

Quote:


https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2015/08/21/atheists-now-make-up-0-1-of-the-federal-prison-population/

Using their self-reported data, there are currently 197 atheists in federal prison out of 191,322 total prisoners. If you do the math, that’s 0.10%. Still ridiculously low.
Texas is home to the most atheist prisoners, with 25 overall, followed by California (23) and Illinois (20). None of that is altogether surprising, though, since Texas and California are also the states with the most federal prisons.
Of the 135 prisons in the system, 55 have no atheist prisoners at all.
According to the Pew Research Center, atheists now make up 3.1% of the country. So our presence in prison is significantly lower than what you’d find in the general population.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons will soon include “Humanism” as an option for prisoners. It’ll be interesting to see how the data shift in the future because of that.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2020 11:20 am
@neptuneblue,
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or more explicitly, the NON-pursuit of religious liberty must be withheld.

You need to proof read. Do you know what "withheld" means?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2020 05:38 pm
@coldjoint,
*upheld
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