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What is the "US Constitution"?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 12:49 pm
@TheCobbler,
What the **** has that got to do with anything?

You don't understand what is being discussed so you change the subject.

I'm a Socialist, I've posted a link to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

I've always been against all forms of imperialism, including the British Empire. I wasn't born then by the way.

A normal reasonable person would respond to the question, namely: if you compel foreign firms to swear an oath to America how are you going to stop the Saudis doing the same to American firms?

Now I know that initially you didn't understand the question, or even the second time, but after three explanations you're still frowning and rubbing your forehead none the wiser.

So because you have no answer to give, because you haven't thought this though. You act like most slow witted narcissists and resort to (Anglophobic) bigotry.

You've certainly shown what your ideals are, and they're in keeping with your president's.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 12:53 pm
Our corporations, political leaders and president are supposed to enforce the Constitution, not be above it.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 01:31 pm
The Constitution gives me the right to be homophobic; I have the Constitutional right to say homophobic things and to write homophobic songs.

A right is not an obligation. Whethet I choose to exercise my rights or not is my choice.

No one violates the Constitution by choosing to not be homophobic.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 02:45 pm
@TheCobbler,
Have you been watching the news lately. The president can't break a law while president. The supreme court can declare a nonbreathing entity a person with the right to vote. The constitution don't mean shut in the higher echalons of government, state or federal.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 03:09 pm
@maxdancona,
If you have ever voted, then yes, you have chosen to consent.

You could have fled the country to avoid the draft entirely. There are plenty of great educational institutions in places other than the U.S.A.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 04:48 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

If you have ever voted, then yes, you have chosen to consent.


Consent must be given for each activity. And consent can be withdrawn at any time. Just because I consent to having my vote counted doesnt mean I consent to anything else.

What exactly am I consenting to?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 06:23 pm
@maxdancona,
Homophobia encroaches on the quality of life, liberty and equality of homosexuals so, being homophobic, just as being racist, violates the ideals of the Constitution.

If you are searching for justification for being homophobic then that same justification can be used to justify anti-religious discrimination. Do you really want to go there?

Even "fake Christians" are entitled to equal protection under the Constitution provided the do not try and use their religious hate to limit the rights of others.

Just because you have a right to be homophobic does not make that kind of hate justified.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice...






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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 06:31 pm
@RABEL222,
If the president was above the law then there would be no avenue for impeachment.

Also, just as Donald likes to separate children from their parents his children are indictable in courts of law.

Just as supreme court justices are impeachable for violating the Constitution.

The American people will create as quorum and mandate in the Congresses if ridding our government of a crooked president is warranted. Can a president be a traitor to our country? Yes. For this reason we have a legislative branch which can overrule a president, their veto and their legitimacy...

The military branch who swears an oath to the Constitution can also object to the president and his policies and therefore "whistle blow" and forcibly remove a president if the Constitution is egregiously violated.

The myth that a president is untouchable has been created by a crooked republican party and their corrupt lawyers.

If you recall, it was an ex-military officer that shot JFK...

The military does not take too kindly to those who violate our Constitution by claiming they are above its moral edicts.

JFK made no such claim, but Trump on the other hand is clearly guilty of such a fallacy.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 06:51 pm
@maxdancona,
You cast your vote because you are brainwashed to do so through fake news and Russian propaganda which you eat up like there is no tomorrow.

You think that kissing the ass of these rich people will somehow pardon your loser ass at some future date. The shock when that day comes and they toss you under the bus because you don't have big boobs or a six or seven figure income.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 07:48 pm
@TheCobbler,
You seem awfully angry, Cobbler.

I don't think this can be blamed on the Constitution.
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 05:00 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

Also, just as Donald likes to separate children from their parents his children are indictable in courts of law.

Be more clear about how people get separated at the border: Drug traffickers send people with children so that they will trigger catch-release policies instead of ending up in jail where they will pass swallowed drug-balloons into custody.

Anytime an adult gets arrested for any crime anywhere, they are separated from their children. It is sad, but you have to choose whether to not arrest anyone for any crime if they are a parent, or whether to put the children in jail with their parent.

The problem is crime, not family separation. Family separation is an inevitable byproduct of crime and law enforcement. Crime is the fault of criminals, not the police and government trying to stop them.

What you are implying with "his children are indictable in courts of law" is that the law should be used to target/harass people's families as a means of harassing them more broadly. If someone is arrested, it should be because their crimes warrant it independently of who they are related to. When you investigate and indict people searching for a reason because of who they're related to, that's discriminatory; akin to investigating someone on the basis of skin color not because you suspect them of crime but because you want to harass them for who/what they are.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:29 am
@livinglava,
I have to stick up for you here Lava, your cruel hatred of immigrant families does not go against anything in the Constitution. Of course the Constitution allows the Congress to make immigration policy. I will never vote for a representative who hates immigrants.

You are still going against the Bible. But as far as the Constitution goes I think you are on solid ground.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 09:19 am
@maxdancona,
I am just stating facts and I am a harbinger, plainly stating the lack of moral fortitude of those who you endorse.

No anger was needed to state these things.

Pity? Yes...

You need to belittle my emotional constitution in order to make yourself feel better. That is your problem not mine.

You can't stand the truth and perhaps it is is you who is "angry" and you have only yourself to blame. Don't shoot the messenger.

A healthy dose of your own anger, well directed, might snap you out of your derision regarding this corrupt alt-right, fascist, Nazi party of yours.

Just saying it the way it is. I am not sorry if this makes "you" angry. You need to dump Trump and these crooked republicans who have violated our most sacred ideals and institutions...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 09:24 am
@TheCobbler,
You've not stated any facts, just some hare brained schemes that don't stand up to scrutiny.

And when someone comes up with something you don't understand, (which is pretty much every other post,) you become nasty, defensive and confrontational.

I don't get on with Max, but at least when we argue he understands what we're arguing about.

You don't, not in the slightest.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 09:38 am
@livinglava,
99% of the people coming to our borders are families and their only crime is searching for refuge from corruption in their countries. Corruption created by our corporate monopolies coming into their countries and undermining their way of life. Bribing their public officials and imposing profit driven capitalism upon them while these life-sucking corporations toss our sacred Constitutional values aside. It is not only US corporations who do this too...

The carnage these corporations leave behind you label as "drug traffickers" but guess who the real drug traffickers are? Unscrupulous profiteering corporations.

It is not a crime to want to escape the vacuum left behind by our profit driven corporations. We created the problems in their countries and we are responsible for fixing it.

But just as it always goes, corporations hit and run, they grab the loot and leave US taxpayers to pick up the tab from their pollution and gouging of a neighboring, peace loving society.

THIS is why corporations own all the wealth and our middle class is falling into poverty. Things never trickle up... they flow up, unfettered, and rarely, if ever, trickle back down.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 09:49 am
I would like to point something out also...

The Declaration of Independence is also part of the US Constitution.

It is the foundation with which the US Constitution rests itself upon.

It is like saying the basement is not a part of the building... Well, try and and remove the basement and see how well the building stands.

The basement of a tall building is often made of reinforced steel, concrete which is often comprised of large stones and likewise built on solid stone to anchor the building into place. The US Constitution must be understood in light of the Declaration of Independence. For "democracy", government and rule of law requires independence from despotic rule...

In masonry, a cornerstone is the stone where the rest of the building is built to specification from (fitly joined)... There are two meanings for cornerstone, one is ancient.
jespah
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:24 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

I would like to point something out also...

The Declaration of Independence is also part of the US Constitution....
It's not.

It never will be.

These are different documents, and they have/had different purposes.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:29 am
@jespah,
Yeah.... You are getting it confused.

The 10 Commandments are part of the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:32 am
@maxdancona,

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longly
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 12:05 pm
The poster maxdancona said the Constitution is not a religious document and is correct. It is a non-legal social contract like the Mayflower compact. It is called the supreme law of the land because no law can be made that violates the principle in the Constitution. It established the federation that we know as the United States of America. The choice of a union, a federation, was a deliberate act the possibility of a central, Unitarian, government was consider but was rejected by almost everyone except Hamilton and a few others. But after their experience with the British government during the Revolutionary War they were very suspicious of any centralized system. An interesting fact about Hamilton is that he wanted a king or a president for life for the new country, basically the same thing.

The founders didn’t want to gain their freedom from the British just lose it to an American tyrant. For that reason they didn’t want any person, government or branch of government to have a monopoly on power. They wanted power dispersed between the states governments, the national government and the people. And they wanted the power of the national government spread between all three branches of the government; they wanted no branch of government to have a disproportionate amount of power.

The Constitution is not a law so no one can actually legally violate it; there is no penalty for violating the Constitution. One can act contrary to the principle in the Constitution but there is no price to pay for that other than being un-American.
 

 
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