Liberal idiocy and Straight Pride.

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Imagine this hypothetical scenario.

30 or so people, mostly white and mostly men decide to have a "parade" to show their hurt that LGBT people are getting rights. They get permits (as is their right), they show up with cars and grills and hand letter signs. They chant "blue lives matter" and other political slogans. Some passers by may be disgusted, or pitying or even upset. Then they all go home to smoke joints and watch porn.

Would this even be newsworthy? Maybe the headline would be "A couple dozen obnoxious idiots are obnoxious". It wouldn't be on the front page... in fact I doubt it would even be published, talked about... nor would it matter to anyone in the slightest.

This is what should have happened in Boston on Saturday.

What actually is that these 30 or so right wing idiots were joined by several thousands of left wing idiots. It was the left wing idiots who turned what should have been a small pathetic and meaningless gathering into a front page story with police violence and drama. The left wing made the Straight Pride Parade into an event.

The left wing threw urine and attacked policed. Four police officers were injured enough to keep them from returning to work.

The left is giving the extreme right exactly what it wants. And probably this is reciprocal. Without the extreme right, the outrage left probably wouldn't know what to do with themselves. These two extremes feed off of each other.

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@maxdancona,

"The left is giving the extreme right exactly what it wants. And probably this is reciprocal. Without the extreme right, the outrage left probably wouldn't know what to do with themselves. These two extremes feed off of each other."

I agree some people just want to fight and don’t need much of an excuse. They love drama, but if we had real fighting that needed to be done we wouldn’t find those asshole anywhere near the front lines where one could get killed seriously injured.

I believe everyone has the right say whatever they want as long as they don’t harm others.

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@longly,

1. I am a big supporter of free speech. The Staight Pride people have the right to express their views. The counter protester have the right to express their outrage... as long as they do it peacefully.

2. That doesn't mean that it isn't idiotic for for right to have their protest or the left to habe their outrage.

3. The thousands of counter protesters validate the straight pride marchers. They make them feel important.

4. The violence from the left is inexcusable.

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@maxdancona,

when they do the same thing but wear little white costumes with ice cream cone hoods, then its ok to counter-display?? Im kinda unclear about what this thread is really supporting . Its really not FOR our Constitutional Rights of Assembly

How soon we forget.

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@farmerman,

Do you agree that people on the left are going a little too far when they throw bottles of urine and physically attack police officers? Everyone has a right to protest peacefully, that doesn't mean it is a good idea. But, when either side crosses the line into violence they should be held accountable.

Hopefully my point is clear.

It is stupid for the left to turn what would have been a pathetic gathering of a few dozen people into a front page news story involving thousands of people and violence against police.

Do you think this spectacle is either a good move for them politically, or something that is good for the country at large?

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@maxdancona,

I have been on the other side of this... when I marched in the big immigrant rights protests in Boston several years ago, there were counter protesters.

We were happy to have the counter-protesters there. It provided a foil and added numbers to the crowds. The fact that we were upsetting people was kind of the point, we were there to challenge people.

I don't counter protests are often very effective politically.

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@maxdancona,

Well, youre constitutionally entitled to your opinions. I just dont buy em.
The purpose of the demo as I read was to encite violence against a class of citizens and thats NOT protected speech in amendment 1.
So once again,I feel your point is moot.

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@farmerman,

I don't think any serious court or lawyer has suggested that the straight pride march is to "encite violence".

It is pretty clearly protected speech under the first amendment. The liberal mayor of Boston admitted that he could not legally prevent the march from happening. He had to give them a permit because of the first amendment.

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@maxdancona,

you are able to deduce this from reading a paper or listening to a blog are you?

Hmm, We have a new Edgar Casey among us.

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@maxdancona,

Giving the permit and seeing what the parade play out is are two different things. Many klan groups have been issued parade permits and have used the experience to encite .

Are you sure that there was no encitement involved? (I read otherwise)Ill back off had I been able to see the parade proceed and found it merely one of these religious groups asserting what thir gods were really telling us to do with gays and it didnt involve violence.

You can never say what a court would find till the verdict was in and the decision made. YOU (and I) are NOT Constitutional lawyers.

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@farmerman,

How are you able to deduce it farmerman? Freedom of speech as defined in the First Amendment and affirmed in the Supreme Court is pretty clear.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brandenburg_test

The courts have made it very clear that your definition of "encitement[sic]" isn't correct. Incitement has to be "directed to imminent lawless action". Saying "smash the patriarchy" or "gays shouldn't be allowed to live" are both protected speech according to the Supreme court... because they aren't likely to cause imminent lawless action. The people in the straight pride parade haven't said anything even remotely close to incitement.

As an example, in NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware, this was considered protected free speech-- "If we catch any of you going into these racist stores, we're going to break your damn neck."

You might wish that you could get people who disagree with you to shut up, but you can't.

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@maxdancona,

Quote:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brandenburg_test

Quote:

Saying "smash the patriarchy" or "gays shouldn't be allowed to live" are both protected speech according to the Supreme court... because they aren't likely to cause imminent lawless action.

I clicked on the link you provided. I was unable to find this very specific example you are citing.

Quote:

As an example, in NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware, this was considered protected free speech-- "If we catch any of you going into these racist stores, we're going to break your damn neck."

I clicked on the link you provided. I was unable to find this very specific example you are citing.

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@maxdancona,

1. Are your specific actual examples contained anywhere in the link you provided?

2. If so, I was unable to find them.

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@Real Music,

What exactly are you guys arguing here? This isn't rocket science, it is middle school civics. We have broad ranging free speech in the US with only very narrow exceptions. You can read the link I provided, or you can find your own links so you can understand this.

This is a very silly tangent. What are you even arguing?

(I always thought that liberals were the side that defended free speech.)

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@maxdancona,

Since I was unable to find your own specific examples anywhere in the link you provided, I don't accept any of your assertions to have any factual basis.

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@maxdancona,

The claim that straight pride marchers aren't protected by the first amendment has no evidence behind it other than ideological wishful thinking. There even was a specific case in Woodbury Minnesota where the court found that a high school student wearing a "straight pride" shirt was protected free speech (and speech is more restricted in schools )

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/145/1068/2421423/

But for the sake of argument, let's say you guys are right that straight pride marchers aren't protected by the first amendment.

Does this give liberal counter-protesters the right to throw urine and physically attack police officers?

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@maxdancona,

I am not arguing.
I'm simply saying that if you give specific examples that you say are in a link that you are providing, make sure that your specific example is actually on that link.

I'm not arguing.
You are the one who provided the link for others to click on.

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@Real Music,

So tell me your opinion Real Music.

Do you think that Straight Pride marchers are protected by the first amendment or not? This seems like a very basic civics question to me, but you sure seem to be arguing the point.

If they aren't protected by the first amendment, tell me why not?

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@maxdancona,

Quote:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brandenburg_test

Quote:

Saying "smash the patriarchy" or "gays shouldn't be allowed to live" are both protected speech according to the Supreme court... because they aren't likely to cause imminent lawless action.

Quote:

As an example, in NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware, this was considered protected free speech-- "If we catch any of you going into these racist stores, we're going to break your damn neck."

1. Are your specific examples actually found on your link?

2. Or are you misleading people by claiming that these specific examples are on your link?

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@Real Music,

You are arguing to argue, Real Music.

I concede the point, the Supreme Court did not rule on either of the examples I used. I was implying that these examples are clearly permisible under the Brandenburg Test. One point for you....

Other than scoring a rhetorical goal... I don't get what your point is. What are you arguing?

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