stevewonder wrote:setanta
i think perhaps from the tone of your writting you seem somewhat upset.
If i had a nickel each time someone with whom i disagree decides that my disagreement is evidence that i am upset, i'd retire tomorrow. You grossly overrate the significance of this thread.
Quote:In all honesty i disagee with Yavin on many points, he makes many points which i disagree with, but i believe his observations and account are true.
Which is precisely the point,
you believe, you do not prove. Therefore, one is lead back to the point that Equus makes, this is an opinion piece. This lead me to the point i will restate, which is that one is neither obliged to believe nor disprove what the gentleman has written.
Quote:Setanta:
In your arrogant mind had it not ocured to you that people have the option of a making a comment and in your narrow mind did it not occur that people quite often exercise the right not to vote in the polls stated?
To arrogate is to take a privilege to which one is not entitled. I am as entitled as anyone else posting at this site to comment on the contents of a thread. I see that you quickly descend to insults--of course it occurs to me that people choose not to vote. I chose not to vote. I then chose to state explicitly why i chose not to vote. If you consider that evidence of narrow-mindedness, i suggest that you will never find any member at this site to be broad-minded. Everyone here has a habit of commenting upon the things which they read in threads.
[qutoe]It is entirely my perogative to place any options i like on a poll, we can draw a hundred issues, i could have said who thinks this guy Yavin is an alien?
the choice is yours
1) to vote
2) not to vote
3) make a comment, even about the vote
4) or none of the above
you see setanta how freedom actually work?
the first poster has made his/her point very clearly and articuated it very well.[/quote]
I have done the same. This had lead you to assume that i am upset, to say that i am arrogant for doing exactly what you have described in your point number three above, and insult me as being narrow-minded for having done so.
Quote:we need to make a distinction between Yavins observations and conclusions.
No, we don't. The distinction is self-evident.
Quote:The question is do we believe what he is saying he has observed about Israeli settler etc, is true since his integerity has been questioned and his programme has been refused by channel one.
No, that is simply the question you wish to exercise. This is your stalking horse, your
bête noire. The editorial decisions of Channel One, apart from being matters upon which we are insufficiently informed to make firm conclusions, are not necessarily matters which do or should arouse us to vigorous debate.
Quote:then secondly we can say wether we agree with his conclusions which are his opinions and they are not necessarily defind as true or false.
Or we can simply choose to note that he has expressed an opinion, and reserve judgment. You are the one who has insisted upon a true/false dichotomy, it is ironic that you now acknowledge that truth or falsity is not necessarily to be determined from the statement of an opinion.
Quote:which raises the question if he was stating an opinion as a journalist and was not lying about his observations why has their been demands for him to be sacked?
That is perhaps a question raised in the minds of those who care about this man and what he says. It is not to be immediately and automatically assumed, no matter how likely it appears, that this is the sole reason he has been "sacked." It may well be--but there is not sufficient information available to us to make that assumption.
Quote:Are those people calling for his resignation demanding anyone with an opinion be removed?
Why are you asking me, i am not responsible for the gentleman's employment prospects.
Quote:What does this say about free speech?
It says very little indeed, given that we have so little information to go on; far to little for a reasonable judgment. It seems that you would like to suggest that this represents a crisis of free speech. However, absent a detailed review of the gentleman's career and relationship to his former employers, it would be foolish to leap to a conclusion of that nature.
Quote:sounds like ome people on this forum...?!
Certainly, do not miss another opportunity to cast aspersions on others who choose neither to agree with you, nor to ascribe to this the significance which you have chosen to give it.