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Gun control

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 06:46 pm
@Glennn,
I love you...even though you drive me nuts sometimes
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 06:48 pm
The two murder capitals of the world are

Los Cabos Mexico

Caracas Venezuela

Mexico has European style gun controls

Venezuela has made selling guns illegal for 10 years now.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 06:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Ah, but maybe the truth is that you love me because I drive you nuts sometimes.

Face it, people who don't drive you nuts are a dime a dozen. Razz
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 07:26 pm
@Glennn,
Yes
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 09:57 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
you guys dont get it at all. clearance for Purchase of ammo implies ownership or is english a second language for ya?

So in other words people in Switzerland are allowed to own and possess as much ammo as they can afford to buy.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 09:59 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Maybe we adopt a Swiss rule. Guns are held in private hands, AMMO is not.

By the way, even if this had actually been true in Switzerland, it would still be entirely unconstitutional here in the US.

People have the right to have ammo that is effective for self defense.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 05:38 am
FBI: Man Arrested for Threatening Massacre Had 10,000 Rounds of Ammo
Feds raided the Ohio home of Justin Olsen immediately after Dayton and El Paso mass shootings.

Kelly Weill, Reporter
Updated 08.13.19 6:16PM ET / Published 08.13.19 2:55PM ET

Days after mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton rocked the nation, FBI agents raided the home of an Ohio man who allegedly threatened to commit his own massacre. Inside, they found more than a dozen rifles and 10,000 rounds of ammunition, the FBI said.

Justin Olsen, 18, was arrested Monday for allegedly threatening to assault a federal law enforcement officer. He’s accused of making the threats on a meme website where he also allegedly discussed shooting Planned Parenthood locations, citing multiple mass murders involving far-right extremists.

Olsen allegedly made the threats on iFunny, a meme-sharing site where he used the name “ArmyOfChrist” and a picture of a medieval crusader as his avatar. (The crusades are a popular theme in some far-right Christian circles.) His account had more than 5,000 followers as of Tuesday morning before it was suspended.

Olsen’s arrest comes as federal agencies are facing increased pressure to take action against domestic terror following a series of mass shootings, several of which were connected to ominous posts online.

An FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska flagged the posts, and the bureau continued to monitor them as they grew more specific, FBI spokesperson Vicki Anderson said.

A search of Olsen’s house last Wednesday, where he reportedly lived with his father, turned up a trove of weapons, including 300 rounds of ammunition on a staircase, another 10,000 rounds in a bedroom, 15 rifles including AR-15 style rifles, and 10 semi-automatic pistols, and a machete in Olsen’s car. A search warrant reveals authorities searched Olsen’s property for “hate related literature.”

Olsen allegedly told investigators his posts were “only a joke” and that the reference to shooting agents was “a hyperbolic conclusion based on the results of the Waco siege.”

His lawyer did not immediately return a request for comment.

In chats, Olsen allegedly cited the bloody 1993 confrontation between federal agents and a religious sect in Waco, Texas. The shoot-out resulted from a standoff between Branch Davidians and federal law enforcement, who accused the group of child sex abuse and hoarding illegal weapons. A pair of shooting battles and a 51-day standoff killed 76 Branch Davidians and four federal agents.

In screenshots included in court papers, Olsen allegedly cited Waco as justification to “shoot every federal agent on sight.”

Extremists, including Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, have cited Waco as justification for their own violent acts. Olsen allegedly referenced McVeigh as committing “a viable method of political change” when he killed 168 people in a federal building with a truck bomb in 1995. Olsen also allegedly called on followers to “stock up” on illegal firearms.

Anderson said the agency has been receiving more tips about suspicious online activity.

“People are more vigilant right now, so we’re getting more calls, citizens calling in about concerning posts they see,” she said. Often, “people second-guess themselves, but too many times after one of these horrific events occurs, we find out people had concerns.”
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 06:14 am
@neptuneblue,

lock him up and throw away the key...
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:12 am
@Region Philbis,
What's the penalty for threatening to assault a federal officer?

You do realize that people are innocent until proven guilty?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:14 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
more than a dozen rifles and 10,000 rounds of ammunition,

People in America have the right to own guns and ammunition.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:23 am
@oralloy,
Do you believe that right should be curtailed after saying there is "justification to shoot every federal agent on sight"?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:43 am
@neptuneblue,
It would depend. Those words as you quoted them don't seem to constitute much of a threat.

But if there were some indication that he actually intended to carry out the threat, maybe then.

Regardless of whether he is guilty of threatening people though, there is nothing amiss in the fact that he is a gun owner.

I addressed the line about guns because you bolded it as if "his being a gun owner" was a big deal or something.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 09:17 am
@oralloy,
I think the amount of guns and the amount of ammo combined with online threats to kill is cause for arrest, curtailing the ability to actually USE them.

Do you agree?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 09:28 am
@neptuneblue,
The amount of guns and the amount of ammo is irrelevant. Americans have the right to own guns.

Online threats are probably cause for arrest, although I've not looked into the law in question.

I'm also not familiar enough with the case to assess whether he did issue online threats.

I don't think the left has succeeded in doing away with the Bill of Rights yet, so presumably the guy will still be allowed to have a fair trial and present a defense.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 09:30 am
@oralloy,
Would you feel safe or unsafe if this guy lived next door to you?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 09:31 am
@neptuneblue,
I have no idea. I don't know anything about him.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 09:33 am
@oralloy,
You know enough to form an opinion.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 10:14 am
@neptuneblue,
No. I don't know anything about him at all.
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