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Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

 
 
Reply Mon 29 Jul, 2019 07:23 pm
Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

https://biblehub.com/matthew/20-28.htm
Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,

At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up.

All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws.

Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better.

All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges.

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you?

Regards
DL
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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2019 12:33 am
@Greatest I am,
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How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Perhaps by employing your own tactic of "ignore & refuse to discuss every piece of evidence contrary to my view point, but stick to my viewpoint" that you've shown in this thread, linked here ?
Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2019 01:23 pm
@Greatest I am,
God is the God of rightness, but you seem to think you are the god of rightness.

Ok, show us what you can do.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2019 05:56 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Trump is the God of the old testament. He zaps people he don't like with lightening bolts.
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2019 08:51 pm
@RABEL222,
By 'people he don't like' you mean 'people who don't agree with him', or 'people who criticise him', right? And by lightning bolt, you mean he 'hurls abuse at them and stomps his foot' ?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2019 01:57 pm
@vikorr,
Understand that with his power he can do a hell of a lot more than stomp his foot. He can ruin people for crtiicising him. With his lack of morals I wouldent be surprised if he hasent had someone eliminated like his hero Putin.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2019 02:02 pm
@RABEL222,
Now why would you think he'd have Putin eliminated? Or is that so an Android being can be inserted over there the same as here?
Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2019 05:39 am
It's always a hoot when people who don't know a single fact try to discuss something. But it gets dreary when they drag political hatred into the discussion.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2019 09:26 pm
@Sturgis,
O k. Putin has had people eliminated and I wouldent be surprised to find Trump has also. Better?
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2019 10:30 pm
@RABEL222,
You do realise he was playing on the order of the words you wrote? As in (rephrased), you said that he'd have his friend Putin eliminated?
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 02:56 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

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How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Perhaps by employing your own tactic of "ignore & refuse to discuss every piece of evidence contrary to my view point, but stick to my viewpoint" that you've shown in this thread, linked here ?


Thanks for showing what you do.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 03:01 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Jewels Vern wrote:

God is the God of rightness, but you seem to think you are the god of rightness.

Ok, show us what you can do.


I can do as scriptures tell me I should be doing.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You go ahead and let others choose your morals.
I will not.

I also will not accept that a genocidal son murdering god is somehow a good god.

I leave that to Christians with satanic morals.

Regards
DL
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 10:59 am
@Greatest I am,
Once in awhile I think you might be on to something, but I think you lost the thread somewhere along the way. 'Sall right, happened to me once too.

So where have you ended up? Existentialist or what?
vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 09:00 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Thanks for showing what you do.
Thank you. I consider pointing out flaws in logic to be part of the reason forums exist - and that healthy debate (and logic) requires one to consider evidence on both sides. But I don't consider it healthy to continually ignore evidence against a position I, or anyone else, holds. And through very obvious example by you of such behaviour (consistently ignoring / refusing to discuss every piece of evidence against your position) in this thread, debating with people who engage in such behaviour is almost pointless.

I consider warning people about posters who engage in such behaviour on a consistent basis - to be a good thing. Double that when the person engaging in such behaviour also engages in glaring hypocrisy, like your hypocrisy in your OP here.
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 02:33 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Once in awhile I think you might be on to something, but I think you lost the thread somewhere along the way. 'Sall right, happened to me once too.

So where have you ended up? Existentialist or what?


I do not think I lost the thread as you have not shown it.

Regards
DL
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 02:37 pm
@Greatest I am,
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I also will not accept that a genocidal son murdering god is somehow a good god.

Right there, the end of the thread...
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 02:27 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

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I also will not accept that a genocidal son murdering god is somehow a good god.

Right there, the end of the thread...


So move along.

Regards
DL
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 10:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Right there, the end of the thread...


I'm glad to hear that!
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:27 am
@Jewels Vern,
Jewels Vern wrote:

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Right there, the end of the thread...


I'm glad to hear that!


Typical Christian who does not want to have a real look at his foolish beliefs.

Regards
DL
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 10:37 pm
@Greatest I am,
ROFL Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hypocrite.
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