Do you know what these gifts are for?

My teacher would have said they are all distractions. Objects, persons, lights all float in and out of our consciousness, if they float in, allow them to float out.

The same with thoughts...they float in, or up (it always seems to me), let them float out.

Joe(hold on that blue egg a moment though, you may open)Nation

If that is true, then you had a fool for a teacher. Precious gifts should not be ignored or wasted.

If you have no idea what they are for, then how do you know that they are precious, and that they should not be ignored or wasted?

Sorry. I thought you said you were meditating, not dreaming. Go on dreaming.

Joe(you might look at the blue orb again, you may open.)Nation

About that sword thing, small and big, are you familiar with the writings of Freud? Some swords cut both ways you know. If some cups so up I would check out a dec of Tarot cards (discard the pentacles-nothing but trouble)

Thank you for your sincere responses, I shall take them into consideration.

You're welcome.

Joe(an empty mind unfettered by thoughtful reason)Nation

I know the same way I know a baby is precious when I look at him or her. I don't know what their lot in life will be, but my ignorance dosn't diminish the value of thing's or people I see.

It's interesting. I know you think my teacher was a fool, but his practice of mediation was to free the mind from all distractions completely. The objects that you see are the mind's attempts to hold us on this level and your spinning of them shows that they have done so. detachment is difficult.

I wish you well.

Joe(I need to go sit now myself)Nation

Re: Do you know what these gifts are for?


A light blue egg with a light inside: creativity/creation/the mystery of creation
A golden rope: a means to escape/climb out; also perhaps a feeling of bondage; might also be a wish for ascension/spiritual enlightenment
Golden frisbee-like object with thousands of jewels: extraterrestrial visitors? :wink: Possibly representing the desire to reach spiritual perfection.
Swords of various sizes: uncertainty concerning your personal potency/power/ability to reach your goals (material or spiritual); or, as dyslexia suggested with his reference to Freud, you may be subconsciously fixating on penises.
An ancient looking boat: a wish/desire to take a spiritual journey
Golden Toothpicks: ?! a desire to be free from food between your teeth; perhaps you were hungry for hor d'oeuvres ? (If they were spears or lances rather than toothpicks, then we're back to potency/power or possibly fixating on penises.)

And 'spinning' them during meditation? That seems to defeat the purpose of meditation.

Re: Do you know what these gifts are for?
Mills75 Wrote:

"A light blue egg with a light inside: creativity/creation/the mystery of creation."

You are correct!

"A golden rope: a means to escape/climb out; also perhaps a feeling of bondage; might also be a wish for ascension/spiritual enlightenment."

Half correct, ascension/spiritual enlightenment.

"Golden frisbee-like object with thousands of jewels: extraterrestrial visitors? :wink: Possibly representing the desire to reach spiritual perfection.


You get 10 points for "desire to reach spiritual perfection."

"Swords of various sizes: uncertainty concerning your personal potency/power/ability to reach your goals (material or spiritual); or, as dyslexia suggested with his reference to Freud, you may be subconsciously fixating on penises."

If I want to think about a man's penis...then I think about a mans penis. Not swords!
Now, you and dyslexia have me a little concerned here, may I suggest the two of you get a room...in a therapists office? asap!

"An ancient looking boat: a wish/desire to take a spiritual journey."

Close enough.

"Golden Toothpicks: ?! a desire to be free from food between your teeth; perhaps you were hungry for hor d'oeuvres ?"

I don't think so my dear, it's like this, when I'm hungry I eat, if I have food in my teeth I brush them.

"(If they were spears or lances rather than toothpicks, then we're back to potency/power or possibly fixating on penises.)"

There you go with the penises again. Tell me, who here is fixating on them?

"And 'spinning' them during meditation? That seems to defeat the purpose of meditation."

There is more than one way to meditate. You could try it if you like, maybe it will get your mind of of all of those penises.

Oh, I thought you were asking a question. You already know what they mean.

Joe( ah ha)Nation

turtlette: it does seem a bit strange, perhaps even disingenuous, to have asked such a question when you seemingly already feel you know it's answer.

My responses are based on the most common meanings for these symbolic archetypes (though I'm aware of no precedence specifically for toothpicks--you might try meditating on what toothpicks mean to you).

The sword is a classic phallic symbol; it typically represents power, masculinity, male potency, violence, or, depending on the context, the penis itself. Any relatively long tapered instrument or construct, or long instrument of violence or war, can be a phallic symbol. (The feminine counterpart is the yonic symbol--typically round fruit or receptacles (cup, jar, vase, etc.) serve as yonic symbols, though a house/home can be one as well.)

Sigmund Freud, father of psychoanalysis, believed that what we dreamed symbolically represented our subconscious thoughts, wishes, and/or fixations. Thus dreaming of swords (or seeing them while meditating) would indicate a likely phallic fixation. Of course, when a student asked him about his nearly compulsive cigar smoking Freud responded, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

It does seem to be more about dreams, day-dreaming and the control of dream objects. It's nice, it's not harmful, but as to the statement that there is more than one way to meditate. If you say so.

My teacher used to to talk about watching his students meditate. First, all the faces would be blank, then, as someone had a happy thought, there would be a smile, or if someone had a serious thought, there would be a frown, but the students who were meditating, the ones who were not thinking or seeing, held the same unmoved, unchanging face of the Buddha.

Joe(this was long ago and far away, yet it still touchs me)Nation