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Possibility of being pregnant

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 12:00 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
Sorry Habib, you were the first one to bring up religion.....Some of us know how to read and can actually figure these things out for ourselves. Perhaps if you had a uterus you wouldn't be so rude.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 12:06 pm
@glitterbag,
https://able2know.org/topic/525149-1#post-6873772

Read this post and onward to figure out who brought the religion is discussion. Anyways if I sounded rude, I sincerely apologize.

Peace!
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 12:56 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
Nope nope nope.

Here's where religion was brought up.....by you.

Followed by that nonsense about scaring and flaying and infections.



HabibUrrehman wrote:

To answer your question it is very unlikely to be pregnant while you are on your period but it can happen especially when you have sex towards the end of your menstrual cycle.

I am just curious, do you normally have sex during your periods? It seems to be very unnatural or may be it seems to me because I am raised as a Muslim and I look at things differently.

Below is what Quran says about this:


Quote:
“They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore, keep away from women during menses”
[Quran 2:222] 


Scientific studies in this field have disclosed to us some of the harm that is referred to in this verse, but they have not managed to describe all the harms that are referred to in the Quranic text. 

Dr. Muhiy al-Deen al-Alabi said: “It is essential to refrain from having intercourse with a menstruating women because doing so leads to an increase in the flow of menstrual blood, because the veins of the uterus are congested and prone to rupture, and get damaged easily; and the wall of the vagina is also susceptible to injury, so the likelihood of inflammation is increased, which leads to inflammation in the uterus and in the man’s penis, because of the irritation that occurs during intercourse. Having intercourse with a menstruating woman may also be off-putting to both the man and his wife, because of the presence and smell of blood, which may make the man impotent (i.e., uninterested in sex). 

Dr. Muhammad al-Baar said, speaking of the harm that may be caused to the menstruating woman: The lining of the uterus is shed during menstruation, and the uterus is scarred as a result, just like when the skin is flayed. So it is vulnerable to bacteria and the introduction of the bacteria that are to be found at the tip of the penis poses a great danger to the uterus.  

Hence the penetration of the penis into the vagina at the time of menstruation is no more than the introduction of germs at a time when the body is unable to fight them. 

Dr. al-Baar thinks that the harm is not limited to what he describes of the introduction of germs into the uterus and vagina which is difficult to treat, rather it also extends to other things, namely: 
1. The spread of infection to the fallopian tubes, which may then become blocked, which in turn may lead to infertility or ectopic pregnancy, which is the most dangerous kind of pregnancy.
2. The spread of infection to the urethra, bladder and kidneys; diseases of the urinary tract are usually serious and chronic.
3. Increase of germs in the menstrual blood, especially gonorrhea germs. 
The menstruating woman is also in a physical and psychological state that is not conducive to intercourse, so if it takes place it will harm her a great deal and cause her pains during her period, as Dr. al-Baar said: 

1. Menstruation is accompanied by pains, the severity of which varies from one woman to another. Most women experience pains in the back and lower abdomen. For some women the pain is unbearable and has to be treated with medication and painkillers.
2. Many woman suffer depression and stress during their period, especially at the beginning, and their mental and intellectual state is at the lowest level during menstruation.
3. Some women suffer migraines just before their period starts, and the pain is severe and causes visual disturbances and vomiting.
4. Women’s sexual desire decreases, and many woman have no interest at all in sex during their periods. The entire reproductive system is in a state that is akin to sickness, so intercourse at this time is not natural and serves no purpose, rather it can cause a great deal of harm.
5. A woman’s temperature drops during menstruation, as does her pulse and blood pressure, which makes her feel dizzy, exhausted and lethargic. 
Dr. al-Baar also mentions that the harm is not only caused to the woman by having intercourse with her, rather the man is also affected by this action, which may cause infection in his reproductive system which may lead to sterility as a result. The severe pains suffered as a result of this infection may be even worse than the sterility it causes.  
And there are many other harmful effects, some of which have not yet been discovered, but Allah has referred to them when He said (interpretation of the meaning): 

Quote:
“Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore, keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath)”
[al-Baqarah 2:222]


Allah has described it as adha, a harmful thing both for the wife and for the husband, and other harmful effects about which Allah knows best. 
Thus it becomes clear that the prohibition on intercourse at the time of menstruation is not just because of the blood, rather it is for many reasons as stated above. 

However it is permissible for a man to be intimate with his wife, without having intercourse (at the time of menstruation). 

I thought I should share my view and hope you can benefit from this in future. If you disagree that totally fine for me. My intention is only to share what I believe is from our Creator and our Creator knows what is best for us.

Peace!
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 01:42 pm
@chai2,
I am quoting Quran because that is what I believe in and I quoted the rest because that is what's proven by medical science today. It all seems non-sense to you because it goes against your own belief. Anyways there is no point of proving who is right and who is wrong. You have your belief system which I disagree with because you did not provide any facts and evidence and I have mine which obviously you disagree with even though I gave you many facts and references from medical science. Your EGO is too big to accept the truth.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 02:37 pm
@chai2,
I need to create a new membership. That way, I could like a post more than one like.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 02:40 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Scientific studies in this field have disclosed to us some of the harm that is referred to in this verse, but they have not managed to describe all the harms that are referred to in the Quranic text. 


I do believe it was you who brought religion into the discussion. Go ahead, but if that's what you want to do, please don't try to deny it.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 03:14 pm
@roger,
Quote:
I am just curious, do you normally have sex during your periods? It seems to be very unnatural or may be it seems to me because I am raised as a Muslim and I look at things differently.


I already said that I mentioned this because Quran to me is book of guidance. Also read the quote above which was at the beginning of my post and this only shows I was presenting my opinion and not forcing my views on any one. I did provide enough evidence to prove my case but seems like you guys lack basic skills to even search the term mensuration cycle and see what medical science says about it.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 03:23 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
I am just curious, do you normally have sex during your periods? It seems to be very unnatural or may be it seems to me because I am raised as a Muslim and I look at things differently.


I already said that I mentioned this because Quran to me is book of guidance. Also read the quote above which was at the beginning of my post and this only shows I was presenting my opinion and not forcing my views on any one. I did provide enough evidence to prove my case but seems like you guys lack basic skills to even search the term mensuration cycle and see what medical science says about it.



I have absolutely no idea why you attributed this quote to me. Your standards of honesty are not as high as I had hoped.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 03:45 pm
@roger,
This was in reply to your previous post.

Anyways, its little too much. We are adults and arguing on such a trivial thing like high school kids. I have no personal issue with anyone. Neither you nor Chai or anyone else on this forum. We are just going back and forth to prove who is right and who is wrong. If this argument ends with me accepting that its my fault then I have no problem in accepting this.

God bless you all and have peace!
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 04:20 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:



Read this post and onward to figure out who brought the religion is discussion.



The answer would be you.
You brought religion into the discussion.

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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 04:25 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

If this argument ends with me accepting that its my fault then I have no problem in accepting this.




Well that's really good, since you were the one to bring religion into it, no one else, and have all sorts of false information about menstruation.

I'm glad that settled.
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 05:02 pm
Oh, I got it figured out!

It's cherry picking.

Here are 3 conditions which might fit the criteria. Might.

Dysmenorrhea (https://www.acog.org/Patients/FAQs/Dysmenorrhea-Painful-Periods?IsMobileSet=false ), endometriosis (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/endometriosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20354656 ), and Asherman's Syndrome (https://www.whria.com.au/for-patients/fertility/ashermans-syndrome/ ) can all cause/or be present with uterine scarring.

Dysmenorrhea can be seen in up to 20% of women: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2012/0215/p386.html
About 6 - 8% of all women have endometriosis, and 20 - 25% of women with endometriosis are asymptomatic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941592/
Asherman's is listed as a rare disorder: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ashermans-syndrome/
Oh, and Asherman's patients have light to no periods: https://www.ashermans.org/home/

BTW for the very few women with scarred uteruses (more likely to come from a D&C than pretty much anything else - and that includes 90% of women with Asherman's: https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/asherman-syndrome), there's a hysteroscopy for treatment. I've had a hysteroscopy; it's outpatient. I felt worse after getting my wisdom teeth out: https://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/uterine-conditions.aspx

I have searched online for anyone claiming sex during menstruation gives you scars. Oh and BTW in case anyone was wondering, period sex doesn't increase your chance of endometriosis: https://www.health.com/news/does-period-sex-raise-your-risk-of-endometriosis

The only place I found where flaying and period sex were discussed together was a Muslim website: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/43028/the-reason-why-it-is-forbidden-to-have-intercourse-with-ones-wife-when-she-is-menstruating-or-bleeding-following-childbirth and the doctors on that site are these guys:
1) Dr. Muhiy al-Deen al-‘Alabi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Nasiruddin_al-Albani, an Albanian Muslim scholar, not a medical doctor.
2) Dr. Muhammad al-Baar - this is the flaying guy. Hard to find him as there are spelling differences. Might be this guy: https://health.usnews.com/doctors/muhammad-abd-el-barr-762781 (a neurosurgeon, not an OB-GYN). Or this guy: https://www.cilecenter.org/about-us/our-team/dr-mohammad-ali-al-bar (a bioethicist, not an OB-GYN). Or this guy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohammad-al-bar-20184350/ (a rhinologist, not an OB-GYN).
3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Sulaiman_Al-Ashqar His doctor designation comes from him being a law professor, not a medical doctor.

But hey, if you want to take the words of non-OB-GYNs over the Mayo Clinic, the National Institutes of Health, and the March of Dimes, then hey go fer it. Knock yourself out.

But don't pretend you're claiming this nonsense is true for any reason other than a tenuous at best connection to Islam.

I await being told I don't know what I'm talking about and being told to not talk about such things because of how horribly ignorant I am. When chai, glitterbag, and I -- and virtually every woman and girl on this site and in much of world history -- have all had 100% more periods than you ever have, or will.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 05:09 pm
@jespah,
You wimmen think you know everything.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 05:12 pm
@jespah,
You are now officially my hero.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 07:38 pm
@jespah,
jespah wrote:


His doctor designation comes from him being a law professor, not a medical doctor.





Laughing Laughing Laughing


There was one time before this poster provided all these links for whatever point he was trying to prove.

When I pointed out those links actually went against his point, I was told it was my responsibility to fact check it, not his.
His role was just to provide the links.

The real reason I suspect so many cultures/belief systems don't want men and women to have sex is because some guy with persuasive style heard/learned about this and said "Ewwww....gross. I wouldn't do that. I don't think anyone should do that. Now what can I say to convince other men not to do this?"
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 07:58 pm
@chai2,
Oh.

And no one here doesn't seem to get it that he did bring up religion, he was "merely ...mentioned this because Quran to me is book of guidance. Also read the quote above which was at the beginning of my post and this only shows I was presenting my opinion and not forcing my views on any one. "


So like, he didn't bring it up or anything.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 08:22 pm
I do have to wonder what the OP is thinking about us and the site.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 08:30 pm
@roger,
I don't.

I'm fairly sure she never even read any responses.

Especially considering her other thread.

https://able2know.org/topic/521207-1#post-6861709<br />
Personally, I think she needs to carry some hand sanitizer around with her and a medical dictionary.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 08:37 pm
@chai2,
Damn Chai, good catch.
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solipsister
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:13 pm
He may not have a uterus but he sure comes across as quite a believer.

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