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Today, it is humans who are the asteroid

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jul, 2019 11:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
The following was in response to someone who declared that the FDA says that GMOs are okay. Why don't you take a crack at what has been posted, and see if you can answer with something with more substance than an insult. Go ahead and set yourself apart from the pack.

Here are FDA documents showing that they ignored GMO safety warnings from their own scientists.

EXCERPT:

The FDA's records reveal it declared genetically engineered foods to be
safe in the face of disagreement from its own experts--all the while
claiming a broad scientific consensus supported its stance. Internal
reports and memoranda disclose: (1) agency scientists repeatedly
cautioned that foods produced through recombinant DNA technology entail
different risks than do their conventionally produced counterparts and
(2) that this input was consistently disregarded by the bureaucrats who
crafted the agency's current policy, which treats bioengineered foods the
same as natural ones.

Besides contradicting the FDA's claim that its policy is science-based,
this evidence shows the agency violated the U.S. Food, Drug and Cosmetic
Act in allowing genetically engineered foods to be marketed without
testing on the premise that they are generally recognized as safe by
qualified experts.


http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/GEessays/FDAdocuments.html
______________________________________________

Here is something called the Monsanto Papers which show released internal emails which show that Monsanto was less than honest in their determination that Glyphosate was safe.

http://baumhedlundlaw.com/pdf/monsanto-documents/monsanto-documents-chart-101217.pdf

Sample:

MONGLY02060344
6/24/2015

Documents Released: 8/1/2017
Email Showing Communications Between Monsanto and EPA in Furtherance of Avoiding Roundup and Glyphosate Testing

This document contains email correspondence between Jack Housenger, Director of the Office of Pesticide Programs (EPA), Daniel Jenkins (Monsanto), and Dr. William Heydens (Monsanto). Mr. Housenger reports to Mr. Jenkins that he has spoken to individuals at the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), one of whom, the branch chief, Henry Abadin, “ended up saying that they would put glyphosate on hold holding the OPP risk assessment.” at *2. Dr. Heydens acknowledges with respect to the ATSDR decision to not review glyphosate: “hopefully that keeps them from doing anything too stupid.” at *1.

http://baumhedlundlaw.com/pdf/monsanto-documents/56-Email-Showing-Communications-Between-Monsanto-and-EPA-in-Furtherance-of-Avoiding-Roundup-and-Glyphosate-Testing.pdf
__________________________________________________

Here is a more comprehensive look into those emails as they pertain to a lawsuit against Monsanto's Roundup.

https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/monsanto-secret-documents-page-two/
_________________________________________________

In its 1992 Statement of Food Policy, the FDA asserted:

“Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety.”

But wait! According to biotech-giant Monsanto’s former director of corporate communications,

“Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA’s job.”
_______________________________________________

It would appear that your assumption concerning the FDA's testing of GMOs has been shown to prove only how gullible you are.
___________________________________________________

"One thing that surprised us is that US regulators rely almost exclusively on information provided by the biotech crop developer, and those data are not published in journals or subjected to peer review... The picture that emerges from our study of US regulation of GM foods is a rubber-stamp ‘approval process’ designed to increase public confidence in, but not ensure the safety of, genetically engineered foods."

– David Schubert, professor and head, Cellular Neurobiology Laboratory, Salk Institute, commenting on a comprehensive peer-reviewed study of US government’s regulation of GMOs that he co-authored.
__________________________________________________

“The FDA has placed the interest of a handful of biotechnology companies ahead of their responsibility to protect public health. By failing to require testing and labeling of genetically engineered foods, the agency has made consumers unknowing guinea pigs for potentially harmful, unregulated food substances.”

– Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of Center for Food Safety
___________________________________________________
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jul, 2019 11:59 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

The following was in response to someone who declared that the FDA says that GMOs are okay. Why don't you take a crack at what has been posted, and see if you can answer with something with more substance than an insult. Go ahead and set yourself apart from the pack.

Here are FDA documents showing that they ignored GMO safety warnings from their own scientists.

EXCERPT:

The FDA's records reveal it declared genetically engineered foods to be
safe in the face of disagreement from its own experts--all the while
claiming a broad scientific consensus supported its stance. Internal
reports and memoranda disclose: (1) agency scientists repeatedly
cautioned that foods produced through recombinant DNA technology entail
different risks than do their conventionally produced counterparts and
(2) that this input was consistently disregarded by the bureaucrats who
crafted the agency's current policy, which treats bioengineered foods the
same as natural ones.

Besides contradicting the FDA's claim that its policy is science-based,
this evidence shows the agency violated the U.S. Food, Drug and Cosmetic
Act in allowing genetically engineered foods to be marketed without
testing on the premise that they are generally recognized as safe by
qualified experts.


http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/GEessays/FDAdocuments.html
______________________________________________

Here is something called the Monsanto Papers which show released internal emails which show that Monsanto was less than honest in their determination that Glyphosate was safe.

http://baumhedlundlaw.com/pdf/monsanto-documents/monsanto-documents-chart-101217.pdf

Sample:

MONGLY02060344
6/24/2015

Documents Released: 8/1/2017
Email Showing Communications Between Monsanto and EPA in Furtherance of Avoiding Roundup and Glyphosate Testing

This document contains email correspondence between Jack Housenger, Director of the Office of Pesticide Programs (EPA), Daniel Jenkins (Monsanto), and Dr. William Heydens (Monsanto). Mr. Housenger reports to Mr. Jenkins that he has spoken to individuals at the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), one of whom, the branch chief, Henry Abadin, “ended up saying that they would put glyphosate on hold holding the OPP risk assessment.” at *2. Dr. Heydens acknowledges with respect to the ATSDR decision to not review glyphosate: “hopefully that keeps them from doing anything too stupid.” at *1.

http://baumhedlundlaw.com/pdf/monsanto-documents/56-Email-Showing-Communications-Between-Monsanto-and-EPA-in-Furtherance-of-Avoiding-Roundup-and-Glyphosate-Testing.pdf
__________________________________________________

Here is a more comprehensive look into those emails as they pertain to a lawsuit against Monsanto's Roundup.

https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/monsanto-secret-documents-page-two/
_________________________________________________

In its 1992 Statement of Food Policy, the FDA asserted:

“Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety.”

But wait! According to biotech-giant Monsanto’s former director of corporate communications,

“Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA’s job.”
_______________________________________________

It would appear that your assumption concerning the FDA's testing of GMOs has been shown to prove only how gullible you are.
___________________________________________________

"One thing that surprised us is that US regulators rely almost exclusively on information provided by the biotech crop developer, and those data are not published in journals or subjected to peer review... The picture that emerges from our study of US regulation of GM foods is a rubber-stamp ‘approval process’ designed to increase public confidence in, but not ensure the safety of, genetically engineered foods."

– David Schubert, professor and head, Cellular Neurobiology Laboratory, Salk Institute, commenting on a comprehensive peer-reviewed study of US government’s regulation of GMOs that he co-authored.
__________________________________________________

“The FDA has placed the interest of a handful of biotechnology companies ahead of their responsibility to protect public health. By failing to require testing and labeling of genetically engineered foods, the agency has made consumers unknowing guinea pigs for potentially harmful, unregulated food substances.”

– Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of Center for Food Safety
___________________________________________________


Yadda Yadda Yadda.......

You have to to do better than that if you expect to warrant my attention.

Distill what you wish to say, then do it with some style so that you make it your own!
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farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 04:13 am
@hawkeye10,
Ha, hey welcome back. I always prefer a good disagreement with peopl who stand up for their beliefs than to just talk with those who cave -in after exclaiming how incompetent their opponents are.

Where ya been?.

As for the point about "manners". Yeh, Ive been saying similar things from the other side of the aisle.(In my case it was misplaced nostalgia for when there were more interesting topics than just swapping political diatribes) However, Ive realized that it takes two or more to be decent to each other.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 04:17 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Ha, hey welcome back. I always prefer a good disagreement with peopl who stand up for their beliefs than to just talk with those who cave -in after exclaiming how incompetent their opponents are.

Where ya been?.

As for the point about "manners". Yeh, Ive been saying similar things from the other side of the aisle.(In my case it was misplaced nostalgia for when there were more interesting topics than just swapping political diatribes) However, Ive realized that it takes two or more to be decent to each other.


I intend to vote for Warren this time, I am an old school liberal who was forced to leave the orthodox left because I could not take the stench of dishonesty and propensity towards abuse. You and me were never on different sides, and the fact that you could not figure this out bothers me.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 04:18 am
As far as failing in humore,thats a very real state of reality . The really good humorists, who brought the tone down, are gone.

Almost everyone here takes themselves very seriously in one or more arenas. I know Im guilty of being ruthless when it comes to being lectured on something that I consider "in my court". Fortunately, Im a mile deep and an inch wide.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 08:15 am
I find it hard to deal with grace the same cast of disruptors who always show up to take down a thread. That's why I have a stable full of ignores. That helps me to sooth my temper a bit.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 09:46 am
@edgarblythe,
I see that trump, in hiw administrations ass backward wisdom, has removed the limitation on Sulfoxaflor(Isoclast) an insecticied much stronger than nicotenoides (which it was supposed to replace because nicotenoides were deadly to honeybees.

Another example of Trumps head-up-his ass way to embrace things his admin has NO knowledge of.

We can remove honeybees from the pollinator spcies (as well as most other pollinators).
some moronic douche bag in the administration stated that

"We have carefully written the new regs so that the sprays arent to be used while plants are flowering. Jeezus, what idiots, Some plants, like alfalfa will flower shortly after every time its cut.clover flowers all the time.

Hes apparently consumated some cynical blind deal with some factory lobby.

why do we have a president who stands idly by, or countenances shooting ourselves in the gut?


farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 09:50 am
@hawkeye10,
I recall that we were on opposite sides over specific issues, like gun control. Im more an encultured rationalist when it comes to the second Amendment and you were more a "chaotic weapons brandishing". Ownrship of guns is protected but it doesnt mean unlimited mil specs.

Im conservative on certain things (to quote Setanta's mintmark) and liberal on many others.
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Ragman
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 10:06 am
@farmerman,
I’m constantly amazed at how often Trump is wrong on so many issues. I think it’s no coincidence his arbitrariness and cottonheadedness. He’s selling (and has sold) our country down the river to the highest bidder.

I had joked with the customs agent when I traveled to New Zealand for the first time in November 2016, two weeks after the election. I asked the agent if it was possible to apply for political asylum. Now it’s no joke especially with the potential reelection looming.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 10:12 am
@farmerman,
Trump seems to seek out anything that hinders the rich from accumulating money, to stomp it out, without even learning what it is he is enabling or destroying. Nobody with the power to stop him seems to get enough support, so they react in the feeblest manner and he crushes on. Here is in a nutshell what this thread is about. Reversing the destructiveness while there remains enough to be worth saving.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 10:21 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

I’m constantly amazed at how often Trump is wrong on so many issues. I think it’s no coincidence his arbitrariness and cottonheadedness. He’s selling (and has sold) our country down the river to the highest bidder.

I had joked with the customs agent when I traveled to New Zealand for the first time in November 2016, two weeks after the election. I asked the agent if it was possible to apply for political asylum. Now it’s no joke especially with the potential reelection looming.

I personally feel that the anti destruction people should stay put in their own countries, because less man power to the resistance means less strength to fight. I have noticed that globally the same disease that has infected our country is more and more becoming rooted. The US is the place where a just society can still flourish and influence the rest of the world. But we have to get together in enough numbers and resolve to make it happen.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2019 12:30 pm
This video will be removed
maxdancona
 
  0  
Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2019 10:25 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

This video will be removed



It has been up for a week now. Do you have any prediction on when it will be removed?

Every day that passes, this becomes funnier.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:20 am
@Ragman,
New Zealand waits for you...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:22 am
@edgarblythe,
Edgar the Unifier!

What drugs are you taking? I'd like to try them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:23 am
@farmerman,
Oh, yea...I missed it entirely! Rolling Eyes Surely you can do better than that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:27 am
@Glennn,
No, it's my way of saying I don't know what the **** you are talking about.

You are a nut on GMO

On another thread, I entered several lengthy posts on how the scientific community agrees that you are a nut and I have no interest in repeating them. Look them up and then refute them...if you can.

You are a dangerous person: A very bright and articulate conspiracy nut.

Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Thanks

Welcome back!
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 10:57 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Once a dic - shi - disrupter always one.
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Glennn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Jul, 2019 11:21 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
On another thread, I entered several lengthy posts on how the scientific community agrees that you are a nut

What a coincidence. I just entered several lengthy posts showing how the FDA disagreed with itself concerning the safety of GMOs, and insider emails exposing the industry's collusion with regulatory figures, and how any researcher whose conclusions differed from the industry's researchers was promptly blacklisted. I'm sure I speak for them when I say that you are a simple yes-man.

Gooooooood boy!
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