"Assumed that she was a . . . "

To keep the balance of power status quo.

too bad, because it seems to have worked very well.

"Why . . ?"
what is woman's role in the creation of their own misfortune?

And we lived in the wilderness occasionally on the brink of starvation, being eaten by lions with relatively poor medical care and no understanding of how the world worked.

Forgive me, that was a cheap shot. I just dislike the whole "we were once so much better than we are now" line that our culture continually feeds us. I think you'll find that aside from a brief deviation here and there the history of humankind has steadily improved when taken as a whole.

Our culture's sexuality is I believe, damaged and unhealthy, but hopefully it will improve in the future.

Kuh...my avatar....!!! Been stoled!!!

Yes I'm Chai Tea, the real Chai Tea
All you other Chai Teas
Are just imitating
So won't the real Chai Tea
Please stand up, please stand up

I like the title of this thread.

Was she his wife or girlfriend or mistress or love interest?

I don't know how to love him
What to do, how to move him
I've been changed, yes really changed
In these past few days
When I've seen myself
I seem like someone else

I don't know how to take this
I don't see why he moves me
He's a man
He's just a man
And I've had so many
Men before
In very many ways
He's just one more

There were some implications in Jesus Christ Superstar, but all very chaste . . .

Well if JC Superstar said it...

(hey, I wonder really if JC Superstar is any less reliable than, say the King James; as to what actually happened).

In the Last Temptation of Christ (excellent movie I thought--liked it better than The Passion)--in that movie they portrayed her as sort of a reformed prostitute who later became the (possible) love interest of JC.

i thought people understood that da vinci code was a fictional book

I DID NOT steal your Avatar. It was just sitting around with nobody paying any attention to it, and it looked hungry.
So I took it home that's that.

If you want it back. Tough.


Hi Marquis

Wow - I wasn't making any kind of statement that things were better in the past. We have so many conveniences, cures, culture, etc. etc.

I was just responding to the question above mine. What was womens part in this?

I wasn't there at the time, and honestly - that vestal virgin part about "receiving" the man was TMI. I felt like I was reading one of those bodice rippers.

But the fact is, property was passed down through women at one point, over time it flip-flopped.
That's what Hegemony is all about. As men slowly came to the conclusion that women were their possessions, women counterbalanced the pedulum by accepting this as the norm.
Today - Women can inherit, women can be in power. However, even as a woman who definately knows what she wants and can figure out how to get it, I'm am absolutely floored that once in a while I'm still asked (in so many words) to prove myself.
Do you have that problem Extra Medium? Oh! I'm sorry, you're a boy!

the Magdalyn called a whore? Sure, was anyone going to tell the king he was wrong?

Hi Discreet - The debate about MM has been going on LONG before Dan Brown even picked up a pen.

Yes! Gosh, D, are you reading this thread at all? Set made a reference to Jesus Christ Superstar--Which came out in 1973--over 30 years ago. The debate was going on then, and even long long before then.This debate has been going on for thousands of years!

Da Vinci code is fine, but you know, a lot of it is just collections of sort of urban legend type stuff that has been passed around for centuries. Da Vinci Code is a relatively recent arrival into this scene, it took a lot of that stuff and put it into one sort of accessible pop book. Not that much new in it, actually.

Really - when I read it, I kept waiting to see something I hadn't heard from the Sisters of Perpetual Haranguing eons ago.

Yeah - I liked The Last Temptation too....
I really don't understand what all the fuss was about.
but then, I don't understand much.

Oh crap - I just had a random thought......
I did not see it, but did anyone see that movie "pay it forward"? I can believe kevin spacey even deigned to look at the script. He must have had some bills he had to pay quick like.
I read the book a few years ago - I forced myself to finish it, to see if absolutely anything original would happen.
Wow <eyes glazing over> - I just never thought of that before, if someone does something nice for you - you go do it to 5 people, and so on, and so on......like that shampoo commercial.

Kind of like a chain letter of good deeds?

Okay, I'll start: I like your post re: Going Back to the Time of Women.
Nice.

There, now you have to go do 5 nice things for people!

Thats funny, its almost kind of bossy and a burden, that pay it forward deal, huh?

Like if I do 5 nice things for you, lookout, cause then you owe the world 25 things.

If I spend like a week doing nice stuff for you, you'll be busy the whole year just paying off your debt!

heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .


Somebody give Chai Tea a cee-gar . . .

The "had" in the above suggests that women wish to have intercourse with other men.

It seems to follow,and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong,that women who assert that they don't wish to have intercourse with other men are in some way different from the women referred to in the quote.Is this difference biological,which is surely unlikely,or is it more social.

This might explain why women who become financially independent are more likely to commit adultery.Which suggests that the women who don't commit adultery for economic reasons might be a trifle more devious than we had thought.That they are under control for their own ends which does rather make saps of the blokes who think they are doing the controlling.

You can take a sap to the water and you can make him drink.