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Does Religion Cause More World Problems?

 
 
Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:07 pm
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Can you actually name one case where religion unquestionably helped someone in some way?

Please let it be here and now on earth...not "Well their soul is in heaven now due to religion."
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:22 pm
Well I guess if you acknowledge that Mother Teresa, for example, helped some people in India and that part of her motivation was religious belief, then I guess that's one case.

By the way I'm antireligion but whatever gets you through the night, is alright, alright, alright (oops, segued into John Lennon)
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 09:10 pm
The Red Cross and the Salvation Army...I would imagine (hope) they do more good than harm.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 09:16 pm
The jews can make great mandelbrodts
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 09:18 pm
Nice one FM.

I think religion might have done the former Cardinal Ratzinger a fair amount of good too.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 11:42 pm
The Civil Rights Movement was primarily based in religion (not that secular organizations didn't help). The Anti-Slavery movement was also largely rooted in religion (abolitionists were predominantly Quaker, Unitarian, and a few I forget). These certainly provided concrete improvements in the lives of oppressed people.
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lightfoot
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 12:04 am
Extra M.
I "believe" Religion came about to explain the unexplainable... so that gives you two words to hang religion on..... belief-faith, this does a lot for the person with it, but very little for others unless they take it up as well. So the people with the "belief-faith" can do both Good-evil those without it are in exactly the same boat.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:52 am
Well, like all other things, religion brought about its fair share of benefits as well as its fair share of damage.

And though the abolitionist movement also involved religion, the opposite side also used religion to justify their actions, because the Bible didn't really speak out against slavery (of course, slavery was apparently, different during Biblical times to the slavery practised in America).
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:53 am
Religion has never made a bad man good, and the want of the benefit of clergy never made a good man bad.

That's my story, an' i'm stickin' to it . . .
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 10:52 am
John Knox wrote:
None provoking the people to idolatry ought to be exempted from the punishment of death.... The same ought to be done wheresoever Christ Jesus and His Evangel is so received... that the magistrates and people have solemnly avowed and promised to defend the same; as under King Edward of late days was done in England. In such place, I say, it is not only lawful to punish to the death such as labor to subvert the true religion, but the magistrates and people are bound to do so unless they will provoke the wrath of God against themselves.... I fear not to affirm that it had been the duty of the nobility, judges, rulers, and people of England not only to have resisted and againstanded Mary, that Jezebel whom they call their queen, but also to have punished her to the death, with all the sort of her idolatrous priests, together with all such as should have assisted her what time that she and they openly began to suppress Christ's Evangel, to shed the blood of the saints of God and to erect that most devilish idolatry, the papistical abominations and his usurped tyranny, which once most justly by common oath was banished from that realm.
Gulp!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 11:20 am
John Knox was just the tip of the iceberg . . . he got his instruction at the feet of John Calvin and Ulrich Zwingli in Geneva. Check those two laid back dudes sometime . . .
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 11:36 am
Martin Luther wrote:
Common sense and natural reason are highly offended that God by his mere will deserts, hardens, and damns, as if He delighted in sin and in such eternal torments, He Who is said to be of such mercy and goodness. Such a concept seems wicked, cruel, and intolerable, and by it many men have been revolted in all ages. I myself was once offended to the very depth of the abyss of desperation, so that I wished that I had never been created. There is no use trying to get away from this by ingenious distinctions. Natural reason, however much it is offended, must admit the consequences of the omniscience and omnipotence of God....If it is difficult to believe in God's mercy and goodness when he damns those who do not deserve it, we must recall that if God's justice could be recognized as just by human comprehension, it would not be divine.
Adds a lot to our love of the Almighty, eh?
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Mills75
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 05:32 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Well, like all other things, religion brought about its fair share of benefits as well as its fair share of damage.

And though the abolitionist movement also involved religion, the opposite side also used religion to justify their actions, because the Bible didn't really speak out against slavery (of course, slavery was apparently, different during Biblical times to the slavery practised in America).


That's absolutely true, but the question wasn't whether or not religion has been used to incite or justify evil; that goes without saying. The question was whether or not there were any concrete examples of religion improving people's lives. That, too, goes without saying.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 03:05 am
does religion cause problems?

no - religious intolerance does.

if the uno could ban all attempts of religions conversion/preaching/propagating, whether by force or by tact - then there would be no religious problem ever.


the 11th commandment - should be adapted as the one common rule that all religions should have to abide by -

11th commandment for the uninitiated -

"thou shall keep your frigging religion to thy frigging self, and not try to shove it down thy neighbour's throat, no matter how wrong his faith seems from your frame of reference or no matter on how bad times thy neighbour falls upon, thou shalt never try to offer to bail him/her out of his/her misery on condition that he converts to thy religion. "

new updated version 2.01 of the 11th commandment includes the following addenda -

"thou shalt always remember that thy faith seems equally goggledegook from thy neighbour's frame of reference - and that, my lobotomised son, is called the theory of relativity - and no one, including the lawd thy god and all holy and not-so-holy ghosts, is above it".
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:26 am
Does Religion Cause More World Problems?

Those who don't follow their rules and doctrines are the ones who cause the problems in religion.
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headofthefield
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:01 am
To answer the question, religion only causes problems because some take it in their own hands to try to "convert" instead of letting their "god" do the work. At least that is what I see as the major problem in the religion I follow.
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headofthefield
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:03 am
I feel I am here to make God known and that is it. Only to spread the word not force it onto others.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:04 am
Forcing the word, yields no results anyways.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 05:26 pm
brahmin wrote:
does religion cause problems?

no - religious intolerance does.

if the uno could ban all attempts of religions conversion/preaching/propagating, whether by force or by tact - then there would be no religious problem ever.


How is attempting to convince others of the validity of your religious views different from promoting any other view you hold? Why stop at religion? Let's ban attempts at political persuasion--people really should be allowed to hold whatever political views they want without ever being exposed to contradictory views. Marketing--that's gotta go too; selling something all too frequently entails persuading people to adopt views or beliefs they otherwise wouldn't hold or change the beliefs or views they already hold. And that unattached hottie next door you're trying to woo--forget about it; you have not right to attempt to alter her world view.

Human interaction is an ongoing negotiation of the definition of reality; religion is a part of that negotiation. Eliminating it from the negotiation is as futile as trying to eliminate any other part of the negotiation.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 06:16 pm
not quite.


we have successfully managed to stop companies from promoting hookers the way they promote their other products. no company waxes eloquent about the plusses of screwing hookers, they way they do about the virtues of drinking cola or wearing sneakers (both of their particular brand). also the marketing of slaves, quite a common occurances in the "markets" of the not too ancient world, has also been successfully stopped.


so you see, selective stopping/banning of certain offensive types of human interactions is indeed possible.


and since people's attachment to their own brand or religion is (usually - i dunno know about you, i have to confess) quite a bit more than the sort of attachment they feel for their chosen brand of condoms or candles, its the religious marketing that causes flare ups and problems - & not the marketing of products , consumer or otherwise.


thats why we stop at religion and dont take the proposed ban any further.


the day we feel as inseparable and devoted to our brand of choice, as regards condoms, cola, candles, cars and tampons - we will start to fight over those too ( XXX tampons users will start baying for YYY tampon user's blood and vice versa) - and then the uno should be expedient enough to ban the marketing of that product - like now its hightime that they stopped / banned the marketing of religion.


the last time i checked, the crusades werent fought between coke and pepsi.
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