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Outrage over Japan's plan to slaughter humpback whales

 
 
Stradee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:14 pm
What doesn't surprise me is you don't know what the hell your're talking about, cj.

Research sonar!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:27 pm
??? Duh. Maybe YOU should.

Do you know Unix? Just curious...
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satt fs
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 11:40 pm
farmerman wrote:
Satt- I think we understand that the JApanese have interjected "research" for "market hunting". Establishing quotas that dont rely on clearly endangered species , like humpbacks or right whales or pacific sperms would make it leass of a travesty, but, Since the actual research on viability of whale populations (including minkes) is mostly done by the nations that DONT hunt for these creatures, makes me suspect the honesty of the Japanese POV.


The point of view is of the government of Japan or of "the Institute of Cetacean Research" in Japan. I do not share their view.
I am not interested in research whaling nor commercial whale hunting. I think whales need complete peace of about half a century.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 09:57 pm
I know you don't share the view of the Japaense government & the whaling interests, satt. You made that clear some time ago.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 10:01 pm
Japan resumes hunting of humpback whales
November 18, 2007 - 2:16PM
Sydney Morning Herald

A Japanese whaling fleet left port today for a hunt that will include humpback whales for the first time in decades.

The whalers plan to capture up to 50 humpbacks in what is believed to be the first large-scale hunt for the species since a 1963 moratorium that put the giant marine mammals under international protection.

The whalers are heading to waters off Antarctica despite a high-seas showdown with environmental groups last year, and a deadly fire that crippled the fleet's mother ship and triggered strong protests over a potential oil spill.

This year's hunt also aims to take as many as 935 Antarctic minke whales and up to 50 fin whales through April in what Japan's Fisheries Agency says will be its largest-ever scientific whale hunt in the South Pacific.

Japan's annual research whaling mission is permitted by the International Whaling Commission, but anti-whaling activists call it a cover-up for a commercial hunt.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/japan-resumes-hunting-of-humpbacks/2007/11/18/1195321592871.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 10:16 pm
11/12/2007

Japan Targets Migaloo?

Japan Fisheries Agency spokesman Hideki Moronuki has stated that Japan will not rule out harpooning Migaloo the beloved white whale that annually graces the Eastern coast of Australia during the winter migration. Two years ago when the Japanese Fisheries Agency spokesperson was asked if Migaloo would be included in the whale killing the answer was "he is a humpback, isn't he?"

Japanese whalers have refused to say if they will target white humpback whales such as Migaloo. As the Japanese whaling fleet prepares to leave port and head for the Antarctic, the Japan Fisheries Agency has given a firm "no comment" to questions about white whales.

The Japanese whaling fleet is preparing to depart from Japan on a criminal mission to target endangered humpback and fin whales in the Southern Whale Sanctuary. The ships have been given a quota of 50 humpbacks along with 50 fin whales and hundreds of the smaller minke whales this year.

Migaloo, whose Aboriginal name means White Fella, is believed to be the only completely white humpback whale in the world and is often spotted among the humpbacks which form the basis of Australia's whale-watching industry.

Australian Associated Press inquiries of Japan Fisheries Agency about the fate of Migaloo and other white whales were met with "no comment". Captain Paul Watson reacted to the report on the potential threat to Migaloo by accusing the Japanese of deliberately goading Australians.

"What Moronuki is saying is that Japan will do whatever it wishes, and to show contempt for Australians they have decided to target the beloved humpbacks. They will even kill Migaloo if they come across him. They are saying that Australians haven't got the guts to oppose them because Japan is the economic master of Australia and Australians have to accept everything the Japanese want for fear of losing resource sales to Japan. Japan is an economic bully and will continue to bully Aussies and Kiwis until some politician with a modicum of backbone decides to defend AnZac honour by kicking their ruthless whale killing asses out of the Southern Oceans Whale Sanctuary."


The Japanese have also officially requested that Australia and New Zealand detain the Sea Shepherd ship and crew to prevent any interference with their criminal activities. Japan Fisheries Agency spokesman Hideki Moronuki says the fleet will step up security this season after heated clashes with anti-whaling protesters in the Antarctic last summer.

"I need a kind of support from those two countries in order to secure the safety of our crews and our ships," said Moronuki.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society does not believe that the Australian government will interfere with Operation Migaloo.

"The Australian government is either with the whales and the people of Australia who love them, or they are with the whale killers of Japan and I don't think they want to be seen in bed with those harpoon toting Yakusa thug," said Captain Watson.

http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_071112_1.html
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 10:49 pm
were gonna need a bigger boat to ram these mother f**kers
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 10:55 pm
Just found this article on the Greenpeace Australia site. From two days ago.
Note that according to the Sydney Morning Herald article (above - dated today, Oz time) the Japanese whaling fleet has now departed for the Southern Ocean to begin whaling activities again.

I thought this dispatch from Greenpeace was interesting because it indicated that the Japanese government is very sensitive about upsetting more powerful nations than Australia & New Zealand over the whaling issue.:


Whaling fleet departure delayed due to embarrassment
November 16, 2007

The Japanese whaling fleet is delaying its departure to the Southern Ocean to avoid political embarrassment while the Japanese Prime Minister, Yasuo Fukuda, and US President George W Bush meet today in Washington DC.

The Greenpeace ship, Esperanza, is waiting just outside Japanese territorial waters to shadow the fleet during its passage to the Antarctic.

Greenpeace Australia Pacific executive director Steve Shallhorn said that the Mr Fukuda should not delay the fleet's departure but instead cancel the whaling programme altogether.

Japan's annual Southern Ocean whale hunt is conducted under the guise of science but has been condemned internationally. This season, Japan aims to kill more than 1,000 whales, including 50 endangered fin whales and, for the first time this year, 50 threatened humpback whales. The International Whaling Commission has called for an end to the killing of whales in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary under Japan's whaling programme. .....

http://www.greenpeace.org/australia/news-and-events/news/whales/whaling-fleet-departure-delayed
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 11:09 pm
farmerman wrote:
were gonna need a bigger boat to ram these mother f**kers


Well, something much bigger needs to be done, urgently, farmer.

They obviously couldn't give a **** what any little nations in the south Pacific think about their whaling activities! Say nothing of what the people of those nations, who are passionate about protecting whales, think!

The protection of whales in the Southern Ocean obviously has to become the concern of the wider international community. Where is the UN while this is happening? The International Whaling Commission has absolutely no influence on the Japanese.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 09:37 am
The Japanese whaling fleet set sail with the word RESEARCH painted in large letters- in English- on the side of the factory ship.

Seems very hypocritical.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 05:31 pm
Just about every year one or two humpbacks get lost in San Francisco Bay. The enviro-nuts spend millions banging pots and pans and chasing them with boats to get them back out to sea instead of just harvesting them to study what might be wrong. It's a human circus.

Why not sell them to the Japanese? It might prevent this horrible, awful, make stupid people pretend to be pirates, hunt!!! The proceeds could go to whale education.

It's so obvious it's stupid, and lost on many, kinda like those humpbacks.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 11:50 pm
McTag wrote:
The Japanese whaling fleet set sail with the word RESEARCH painted in large letters- in English- on the side of the factory ship.

Seems very hypocritical.


Yes, that's been the case in recent years, McTag. RESEARCH boldly painted on Japanese whaling ships. I am still waiting for any ground-breaking findings based on on the whaling activities of the Japanese. What exactly has this "research", based on killing whales taught us that we wouldn't know otherwise? I regularly check the Japanese "research" site & I can tell you: bugger all!
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 12:02 am
cjhsa wrote:
Just about every year one or two humpbacks get lost in San Francisco Bay. The enviro-nuts spend millions banging pots and pans and chasing them with boats to get them back out to sea instead of just harvesting them to study what might be wrong. It's a human circus.

Why not sell them to the Japanese? It might prevent this horrible, awful, make stupid people pretend to be pirates, hunt!!! The proceeds could go to whale education.

It's so obvious it's stupid, and lost on many, kinda like those humpbacks.


cjhsa

The treatment of most beached whales by people who care about their survival is to keep them hydrated, so they can survive long enough to swim back to sea when conditions permit & they are strong enough to be able to do so. This sort of care costs very little - not "millions". It is more about voluntary time from people who want these whales to survive.
Is that so hard to grasp?
Humans are not the only important creatures on this planet & some humans want to help other creatures in times of distress & danger.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 02:54 am
The election on next Saturday night & <gasp> Japanese whaling is finally on the agenda! Not a moment too soon!
Check out Labor's position! Surprised :


Australia makes whale protest formal
November 19, 2007 - 6:22PM/the AGE

Australia is to register a formal protest with Japan as its whaling fleet heads for the Antarctic to slaughter more than 1000 whales including, for the first time, humpbacks.

Australia's Ambassador to Japan, Murray McLean, has been instructed to register Australia's protest at the impending "inhumane" harvest under Japan's scientific whaling program.

Japan takes whales, sometimes from within the Australian-declared whale sanctuary, for so-called scientific purposes under a loophole in International Whaling Commission (IWC) rules.

A moratorium on commercial whaling has been in place since the 1970s but Japan has been fighting hard at IWC meetings to remove the ban.

The formal protest comes as the major parties in the federal election campaign debate the pros and cons of official legal proceedings against the Japanese.

"The Australian government is deeply disappointed by the departure of the Japanese whaling fleet over the weekend to undertake 'scientific' whaling in the Southern Ocean," Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said.

"Australia is implacably opposed to all forms of whaling. The government again appeals to Japan to reconsider its position on this inhumane practice, which is also opposed by the majority of nations."

Mr Downer said Mr McLean had been instructed to register Australia's protest at the impending lethal take of whales under Japan's scientific whaling program, known as JARPA II.

He said Japan's charge d'affaires in Canberra had this morning been called in to be informed of Australia's concerns.

Mr Downer said that, despite the government's objection to whaling, it would not be "distracted by pursuing feel-good gestures in taking international legal action against Japan".

"Unlike Labor's spokesman for foreign affairs (Robert McClelland), the coalition will not threaten to link progress in our discussions on a Japan-Australian Free Trade Agreement with the whaling issue, important as this is."


Mr McClelland today called for stronger action against the whalers by undertaking military surveillance of the whale hunt to gather evidence to take the whalers to international courts.

"We really need to rattle the cage here," he said.

"It's unacceptable that it's not only going on but getting worse.

"One of the reasons we're planning to use naval vessels for monitoring, rather than interdiction or interception, is to obtain evidence, both to provide to the international community (and) also the Japanese community, on what is involved and the extent of the kill, but also to obtain evidence that can be used both in Australian domestic courts and the international courts."


But Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the government did not believe a legal case would be successful and in fact would be counter-productive.

"If we thought we could win, I promise you, we'd do it," he said.

"But the overwhelming view, the unanimous view, was that if we took legal action against the Japanese, they would be successful largely on technical grounds.

"They would then see that as a vindication.

"The worst thing you can do is go to court and bring a case if you're going to lose and just make your opponent's case stronger."

Asked why Australia had a declared whale sanctuary in the Antarctic if it could not protect it, Mr Turnbull said the original declaration was questioned at the time.

"That's what the Americans said at the time," he said.

"It would not be enforceable against other countries who don't recognise those waters.

"As I noted, the vast majority do not.

"A number of countries, including our very good friends in Washington, protested vigorously when we sought to assert it."

AAP

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/australia-makes-whale-protest-formal/2007/11/19/1195321678601.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 03:00 am
Progress!
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 03:30 am
CNN coverage.:

TOKYO, Japan (AP) --

Australia, New Zealand call on Japan to halt hunt of humpbacks

Australia and New Zealand called on Japan Monday to halt a whaling fleet headed for the Antarctic to hunt humpback whales, and Japanese officials denied a claim by the environmental group Greenpeace that the fleet sneaked off in the night with its locators off to avoid detection.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/19/japan.whaling.ap/art.whaling.ap.jpg
A crew member of a Japanese whaling vessel waves upon departure for a hunt at a port of Shimonoseki, Japan.

The fleet departed from the southern Japan port of Shimonoseki late Sunday night.

The whalers plan to kill up to 50 humpback whales in what is believed to be the first large-scale hunt for the once nearly extinct species since a 1963 moratorium in the Southern Pacific put the giant marine mammals under international protection.

Greenpeace on Monday said it has a protest ship, the Esperanza, searching for the fleet south of Japanese territorial waters and would shadow the ships to the South Pacific.

"It's a large ocean, but we're going to track them down," expedition member Dave Walsh told The Associated Press by telephone Monday.

The Japanese fleet was embarking on the country's largest whaling expedition, targeting protected humpbacks for the first time since the 1960s. In a farewell ceremony Sunday for the four-ship expedition, officials told a crowd at the southern Japanese port of Shimonoseki that Japan should preserve its whale-eating culture. ...<cont>

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/19/japan.whaling.ap/index.html
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 07:51 am
msolga wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Just about every year one or two humpbacks get lost in San Francisco Bay. The enviro-nuts spend millions banging pots and pans and chasing them with boats to get them back out to sea instead of just harvesting them to study what might be wrong. It's a human circus.

Why not sell them to the Japanese? It might prevent this horrible, awful, make stupid people pretend to be pirates, hunt!!! The proceeds could go to whale education.

It's so obvious it's stupid, and lost on many, kinda like those humpbacks.


cjhsa

The treatment of most beached whales by people who care about their survival is to keep them hydrated, so they can survive long enough to swim back to sea when conditions permit & they are strong enough to be able to do so. This sort of care costs very little - not "millions". It is more about voluntary time from people who want these whales to survive.
Is that so hard to grasp?
Humans are not the only important creatures on this planet & some humans want to help other creatures in times of distress & danger.


Obviously you've never seen the San Francisco Bay. Yes, they do spend millions and interrupt further millions of commerce because of lost whales. Bleeding heart liberalism at its finest. Eat the damn whale.

Australia seems to have lost its collective mind over this.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 11:55 pm
cjhsa wrote:
msolga wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Just about every year one or two humpbacks get lost in San Francisco Bay. The enviro-nuts spend millions banging pots and pans and chasing them with boats to get them back out to sea instead of just harvesting them to study what might be wrong. It's a human circus.

Why not sell them to the Japanese? It might prevent this horrible, awful, make stupid people pretend to be pirates, hunt!!! The proceeds could go to whale education.

It's so obvious it's stupid, and lost on many, kinda like those humpbacks.


cjhsa

The treatment of most beached whales by people who care about their survival is to keep them hydrated, so they can survive long enough to swim back to sea when conditions permit & they are strong enough to be able to do so. This sort of care costs very little - not "millions". It is more about voluntary time from people who want these whales to survive.
Is that so hard to grasp?
Humans are not the only important creatures on this planet & some humans want to help other creatures in times of distress & danger.


Obviously you've never seen the San Francisco Bay. Yes, they do spend millions and interrupt further millions of commerce because of lost whales. Bleeding heart liberalism at its finest. Eat the damn whale.

Australia seems to have lost its collective mind over this.


San Francisco Bay sounds a very fine place, indeed! Concern for the environment & care for the creatures which reside there before profit! Yes!!!! Very Happy

No, we Australians have not lost our collective minds. We simply care about & love the whales in our surrounding oceans. Have done so for quite some time now!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 07:32 am
No, it's called emotions before brains.

Get with the program.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 07:37 am
I already am with the enlightened program.
And I don't fancy yours much at all. Very Happy
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