When did Christianity invent hell and god’s imaginary condemnation of man?

Then your religion is satanic as it says that Adaqm's sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

What is necessary to god's plan must be embraced and that hymn shows that you, if you did not sin, would derail god's plans.

Is that your goal? If not, then embrace sin the way your religion does.

Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? mAre we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can nwe who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us owho have been baptized pinto Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were qburied therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as rChrist was raised from the dead by sthe glory of the Father, we too might walk in tnewness of life.

5 For uif we have been united with him in va death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that wour old self1 xwas crucified with him in order that ythe body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For zone who has died ahas been set free2 from sin. 8 Now bif we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that cChrist, being raised from the dead, will never die again; ddeath no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, eonce for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves fdead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
https://biblia.com/books/esv/Ro6.1

When and why did Christianity invent the notions and lies surrounding hell and man's condemnation?
Why do the gullible still believe this obvious lie?

I (raised Catholic, currently Agnostic) don't claim to know what if anything awaits us after we die, but I'll sure be disappointed if people who cause a lot of harm and suffering do not have to answer for what they've done.

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Then your religion is satanic as it says that Adaqm's sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

What is necessary to god's plan must be embraced and that hymn shows that you, if you did not sin, would derail god's plans.

Is that your goal? If not, then embrace sin the way your religion does.

Read Romans 6, and if you're interested, read what comes before it as well.

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Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? mAre we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can nwe who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us owho have been baptized pinto Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were qburied therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as rChrist was raised from the dead by sthe glory of the Father, we too might walk in tnewness of life.

5 For uif we have been united with him in va death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that wour old self1 xwas crucified with him in order that ythe body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For zone who has died ahas been set free2 from sin. 8 Now bif we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that cChrist, being raised from the dead, will never die again; ddeath no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, eonce for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves fdead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
https://biblia.com/books/esv/Ro6.1

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When and why did Christianity invent the notions and lies surrounding hell and man's condemnation?
Why do the gullible still believe this obvious lie?

Is there any system of divine justice in your belief system? Do you think that Hitler and Stalin are enjoying heaven right now?

I (raised Catholic, currently Agnostic) don't claim to know what if anything awaits us after we die, but I'll sure be disappointed if people who cause a lot of harm and suffering do not have to answer for what they've done.

Only fools do not recognize that we can make the bible say just about anything.

Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? mAre we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can nwe who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us owho have been baptized pinto Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were qburied therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as rChrist was raised from the dead by sthe glory of the Father, we too might walk in tnewness of life.

5 For uif we have been united with him in va death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that wour old self1 xwas crucified with him in order that ythe body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For zone who has died ahas been set free2 from sin. 8 Now bif we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that cChrist, being raised from the dead, will never die again; ddeath no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, eonce for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves fdead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
https://biblia.com/books/esv/Ro6.1

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I (raised Catholic, currently Agnostic) don't claim to know what if anything awaits us after we die, but I'll sure be disappointed if people who cause a lot of harm and suffering do not have to answer for what they've done.

Existence is eternal

A faith based assumption that you cannot prove. IOW a lie.

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and ultimately symmetrical, so everyone reaps what they sow.

Christianity recognizes forgiveness through Christ,

Moral Christians reject this. Are morals not what your religion has tried and failed to reach you?

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh. Satan applauds you though as you are doing her work.

Regards
DL

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

Gnostic Christianity has tied equality to righteousness and a good and just god would treat us all as equally culpable or not for any evil. That is why we are universalists and posit a heaven but no hell.

Here is our bottom line on hell.
The bottom line on the existence of hell would be the moral implications.
God killing instead of curing is evil.
God curing instead of killing is good.
If gods do the good, then there is no hell.

Can you look at Hitler and Stalin from a god's POV?

He would know all and have seen all. Right?

For his judgements to be fair, he would have to condemn not only Hitler and Stalin, as well as any sinner, but also all those that helped them become what they became as well as all that facilitated it. Right?
Now note that that would apply to all of us as we all contribute to what all of us become and do.

Do you see the logic or can you refute it?
No one else ever has.

Some form of redemption after a just punishment would be morally acceptable. But that does not eliminate the need for a just punishment.

I would find that form of punishment to be acceptable.

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You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

I don't see it as a 'get out of hell free card,' because of purgatory.

Sin has to be purged before/as you can ascend to heaven.

But how can you ascend if there is no salvation through forgiveness for sin?

If sin cannot be forgiven, then there is only further descent.

To ascend, we need forgiveness and salvation. Christ gives people faith in forgiveness, salvation, and redemption in eternal life.

Without that faith, eternal life would be progressive damnation and descent due to the snowballing nature of sin always begetting more sin.

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Only fools do not recognize that we can make the bible say just about anything.

Really? What can you make the Bible quote above, Romans 6, say? Can you spin that to mean something different than I understand when I read it?

Here, I'll repost it to make it easier for you:

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Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? mAre we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can nwe who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us owho have been baptized pinto Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were qburied therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as rChrist was raised from the dead by sthe glory of the Father, we too might walk in tnewness of life.

5 For uif we have been united with him in va death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that wour old self1 xwas crucified with him in order that ythe body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For zone who has died ahas been set free2 from sin. 8 Now bif we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that cChrist, being raised from the dead, will never die again; ddeath no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, eonce for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves fdead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
https://biblia.com/books/esv/Ro6.1

The appropriate quotes are in this old O.P. of mine. I thus negate your quote.

If god could be hurt by the sin, sure, but he is not the victim. Some human is.

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The appropriate quotes are in this old O.P. of mine. I thus negate your quote.

Well if you're just going to 'negate' the quote from St. Paul I asked you to explain in light of your POV, then that's where your ability to interpret scripture in any which way ends, despite your claim before that it doesn't.

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If god could be hurt by the sin, sure, but he is not the victim. Some human is.

That victim deserves justice.

"Part of my Gnostic Christian mandate is to fight evil."

Gnostic and Christian are opposites. Christians have no mandates, and their only advice concerning evil is to resist it. You need to learn the basics of things before you casually claim to be a follower of them.