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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 04:37 am
@oralloy,
Are you arguing Coldjoint's spreading of hatred and fear of Muslims helps to decrease the amount of violence from extremists? I don't see how this happens.

Coldjoint is repeating arguing that Muslisms should be terrorists.. He is encouraging people to adopt an extremist religious ideology based rather than using religion to find meaning and live a compassionate, peaceful and productive life. ColdJoint is part of the problem.

You are claiming that "a lot of Muslims go around killing people". You admit that Christians also go around killing people. The fact is that the percentage of Americans of any religious persuasion that "go around killing people" is very very low. If the 0.0002% of Christians, and 0.0004% of Muslims are extremist killers... sure you can say that twice as many Muslims are killers. I don't think your claim that this is "a lot" is valid.

You are making a possibly valid argument that there is a problem with the radicalization of Muslims... and that this is a greater problem than the radicalization of Christians (although you seem to admit that both happen).

But let's accept this argument now for the point of discussion. I assume you agree that teaching Muslims kids that Muslims should be terrorists. This seems to be the exact opposite message that we should be giving.

I would propose making our country stronger, more unified and more accepting. We should be reaching out to minority communities, and strengthening Muslim religious organizations that are working to help their members be healthy, productive and peaceful.

Coldjoint's divisive bigotry spreads hatred and fear of American against American. How does this make anything better?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 01:57 pm
@maxdancona,
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Are you arguing Coldjoint's spreading of hatred and fear of Muslims

I am telling you about a religion taught to children THAT SPREADS hate and fear. It can not be ignored or minimized with your accusations.

Now either prove Islam does not say what is odiously says, or hit the bricks.

Here is an example of the lies the world is being told.

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Persecution in Medina?
Were the Quraish the
First to Declare War?

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What the Apologists Want You to Believe
DTT claims that the Quraish "declared war" on the Muslims at Medina prior to the Battle of Badr, the implication being that this was the first declaration and act of warfare between the two parties.

Following along?
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What They Offer as Proof
A hadith from Sahih Bukhari narrates the episode of a Medinan leader visiting his friend at Mecca. The Battle of Badr is referenced near the end of this hadith as follows:

So when the infidels started to proceed for Badr (Battle) and declared war (against the Muslims)...


What They Leave Out and Why They are Wrong

The events leading up to the Battle of Badr are soberly recorded elsewhere by the historians. Nowhere do they say that the Quraish "declared war" on the Muslims, just that they mounted up to protect a caravan that was under attack.

In fact, there are two hadith verses from Sahih Bukhari concerning this incident. In the other telling: "When the day of Badr came, Abu Jahl called the people to war, saying 'Go and protect your caravan'." Clearly this is consistent with the historical account, and simply means that the people were being roused to combat by the very clear and present threat posed by Muhammad.

Keep in mind, that this was well after Muhammad begun to raid Quraish caravans and kill the drivers. DTT would call that a declaration of war if the shoe were on the other foot. It was also after the second Aqaba, in which Muslims really did declare war on the Quraish, and ally themselves with a foreign entity.

Even in the verse used by DTT, it is revealed the Muhammad is plotting to kill the Quraish. This also includes Umaiya, the "intimate friend" of the Muslim telling him that that he is doomed. While DTT claims (fact-free) that Umaiya "never stops persecuting" the Muslims, the very verse they quote proves that he was protecting Muslim life and - by his reaction - was surprised to learn that Muhammad was planning war and plotting assassination.

There would be no need to lie if they thought people would accept Islam if the truth is known. Think about it.
https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/discover-truth/topics/medina-pers-declare-war.aspx
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 02:05 pm
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How does this make anything better?

That is a stupid, stupid thing to say. How the Hell is ignoring the problem going to make anything better? Problems are not solved by running away from the cruel reality we face. I have talked about emasculation by design from the Left. I see it is working on far too many men. This enables that idiotic statements like the one I quoted.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 09:40 pm
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Islamists Teach And Influence Young American Muslims

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One such organization is the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), which, among other pursuits, organizes annual "Education Forums" all over the country. Now in their 20th year and drawing hundreds of American Muslim educators with each occurrence, this ISNA educational conference claims to integrate Islamic teachings with social justice activism, working with Muslim educators who teach the next generation of American Muslims.


But at its core, ISNA is an Islamist organization with deep ties to overseas terror networks. In the infamous 2007 Holy Land Foundation (HLF) terrorist financing case, the U.S. Department of Justice named ISNA an "unindicted co-conspirator" — naming the group as one of a number of "entities who are and/or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood." Accordingly, ISNA's conferences — replete with extreme speakers and exclusionary ideology — facilitate the tendentious education of Muslim American youth by narrowly defining "authentic Islamic studies curricul[a]" and the "Muslim American Narrative" according to ISNA's Islamist ideals.


Stealth jihad right out in the open. This is what the literature of Islam says they do because it is a obligation to undermine any non-Islamic government.
https://www.meforum.org/58403/islamists-teach-and-influence-young-american
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 07:26 am
Coldjoint is demanding that I disprove his bigotry. There is nothing here. You can't disprove hatred and fear. However, we can look at the logical fallacies. And, we can look at the hateful ideology behind Coldjoint's bigotry.

1. Coldjoint is using the fact that there are religious extremists. There are Christians who use their religion to justify violence acts and hateful rhetoric. There are Muslims who use religion to justify violence and hateful rhetoric. The bigotry is that Coldjoint exaggerates one and ignores the other... Christians are human beings (in spite of the horrible things that some Christians do), Muslims are monsters (in spite of the good things that many Muslims do). There is nothing to disprove here... there are extremists (of many types) who use and promote violence.

2. One of Coldjoint's links states that there is a big difference between Muslim terrorism and any other type of terrorism. I don't imagine anyone whose loved ones were killed by a White Supremacist who believes this. There is nothing to disprove here.

3. Coldjoint is exploiting the fact that religious texts written thousands of years ago contain violent imagery. The Christian Bible, if taken literally, calls for killing women and children (in several places, e.g. 1 Samuel 15) and allows for sexual slavery. The passages from the Quran that Coldjoint pulls out are the same. There is nothing to disprove here. Most Christians, Jews and Muslims ask us to take these difficult passages in context with faith.

The bigotry is that Coldjoint takes the most brutal, violent, twisted interpretation of Muslim scriptures. He doesn't do the same thing for any other religion... presumably he allows Christians to define and interpret their own religious faith.

4. At the core of Coldjoint's bigotry is the idea that White, Christian culture defines what it means to be American. Anyone who differs from this is an outsider, a monster, and maybe less then human.

I would challenge Coldjoint (or anyone else) to offer support for any organization that supports a minority ethnic group.

- They don't support the NAACP or the Black Lives Matter movement, or any organization advocating for African Americans.
- The don't support the NCLR or any organization or any organization advocating for Hispanic Americans.
- They won't condemn the neo-nazi's with tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".

This bigotry against Muslims doesn't happen in a vacuum. It is part of an attack on any American who isn't White and Christian.



coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 09:26 am
@maxdancona,
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You can't disprove hatred and fear

But I can prove that is what Islam teaches. You cannot disprove it because it simply cannot be denied.

I have posted numerous examples and have explained the way it is. You have such a problem with me when I am only relating facts. Facts beyond my control. If you insist on calling what I am doing bigotry that is your problem and on my part not one **** is given. The reality of the situation is not made any better by someone attacking who amounts to being a messenger. What I have said is in black and white in Islamic literature and some is quoted after acts or before horrendous attacks.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 09:42 am
@coldjoint,
1. I am on this thread to defend Americans. I am not here to defend terrorists. You are equating acts of terrorists on millions of Americans based only on their ethnic group. I have no difficulty condemning acts of terrorism whether they are committed by White Supremacists, misguided religious fanatics, or anyone else. You have copied posts that say that terrorism committed by White Supremacists doesn't matter. Do you really beleive this?

2. You have consistently refused to condemn the Neo-Nazis chanting "Jews will not Replace us". Last week they protested a Holocuast remembrance ceremony carrying signs that read "The Holocaust never happened but it should have".

These people are clearly call for violence and stand for hate.

Why can't you condemn them?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 09:55 am
@maxdancona,
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1. Coldjoint is using the fact that there are religious extremists

Nope, coldjoint is using the fact that Islamic extremists are inspired by Islam. Taught to hate and taught to advance Islam with terror.
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2. One of Coldjoint's links states that there is a big difference between Muslim terrorism and any other type of terrorism.

Shouldn't you take that up with the author of the article. Once again I will state the fact that terror is sanctioned by the Islamic religion. It is not sanctioned in other religions.
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3. Coldjoint is exploiting the fact that religious texts written thousands of years ago contain violent imagery.

The Koran is not thousands of years old. The 7th century is not thousands, just one. So that is disinformation on your part. The Koran is to be interpreted literally, it says so in the sura of the cow. When you know what that is you might be worth talking to.

Right now all you have is bigot and no research is necessary to call someone names, is it?

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4. At the core of Coldjoint's bigotry is the idea that

You have not proven any bigotry on my part. You use that word because you cannot handle the truth. You have no right to set yourself up as an expert on what I or anyone does.
So your posts are becoming very boring. Start another thread where you can read your riot act to everyone. You could wipe out bigotry around the world there, it is not happening on this thread because there is no bigotry.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 09:59 am
@maxdancona,
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1. I am on this thread to defend Americans.

And you do that by apologizing for an enemy like Islam? I guess that means you suck at defense.
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2. You have consistently refused to condemn the Neo-Nazis

Bullshit. My posts are available to all. Find those posts where I refused or just stop lying. That means prove what you said or do not say it again.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 10:20 am
@coldjoint,
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Find those posts where I refused or just stop lying. That means prove what you said or do not say it again.


People can refer back to page two of this thread. I repeatedly asked you to condemn the White Supremacist marchers chanting "Jews will not replace us". You refused.

But lets clear the slate and try again. I would like you to..

1) Condemn the White Supremacists who marched with tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".

2) State that the recent White Supremacist murders in a Synagogue in the US and a mosque in New Zealand were acts of terrorism.

I am asking directly.... let's see what happens. Do you refuse?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 10:26 am
@maxdancona,
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But lets clear the slate and try again. I would like you to..

This is not your thread. I condemn every act of terror by anyone, that simple. But when I know what inspires those terrorists I condemn that too. Islam inspires terror and teaches hate. And when I see people denying that because they might be considered bigots by people like you it makes me sad and disgusted.

Anything else troll boy?


maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 10:32 am
@coldjoint,
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I condemn every act of terror by anyone, that simple.


I don't believe you.

If this this is true, then please condemn

- the Synagogue shooting in California by a White Supremacist as an act of terror,
- the mosque shooting in New Zealand by a White Supremacist as an act of terror.

If you say you do it... then do it specifically for these two cases.

I would like you to type, on record, "I condemn the shootings by White Supremacists as terrorism.". You post before implied that you don't consider violence by White Supremacists as terrorism... this would be an important step for you.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 May, 2019 10:33 am
@maxdancona,
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I don't believe you.

I don't f*cking care. What part of that don't you get?
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I would like you to type, on record, "I condemn the shootings by White Supremacists as terrorism.". You post before implied that you don't consider violence by White Supremacists as terrorism... this would be an important step for you.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Let some air out of that ego, you are going to explode Laughing Laughing Laughing
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0hzlBV1_Pjw/XNf3QL-VmbI/AAAAAAABQXY/Yb-0eVUPqWoF4mCVFQZbTuP7miVofV4fACLcBGAs/s640/mufti2.jpg
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 02:53 pm
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Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Zogby Poll: Most Americans Want Strengths and Weaknesses of Darwinism Taught In Schools

83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
Pakistan: New Poll Shows 78 Percent of Pakistanis Support Death Penalty for Leaving Islam | Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)

For those who think the support for Sharia is not very strong. These are supporters. The number is huge, but not all Muslims.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 04:20 pm
@coldjoint,
What percentage of White Supremacists support violence against civilians? There are more people in the US killed by White Supremacists tahan by Muslim extremists.

Interestingly enough.... Coldjoint is still refusing to denounce the violent rhetoric in Charlottesville, or the white supremacist killings in California and New Zealand.

You are spreading hatred and fear of the vast majority of American Muslims who denounce any violence ... Yet you are protecting White supremacists who don't denounce violence.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 05:33 pm
@maxdancona,
I see the "White supremacist" troll is back. This thread is about Islam, how it is taught, and what some people do after learning it.

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Coldjoint is still refusing to denounce the violent rhetoric in Charlottesville,

You want violent rhetoric. Hold on.
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Quran (4:101) - "And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies."

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Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

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Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Now stop trolling and I am not the subject of the thread. So no matter what I say it changes 0 facts about Islam. I hate long good-byes.

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 05:46 pm
@maxdancona,
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vast majority of American Muslims who denounce any violence

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You’ll Be SHOCKED By How Many American Muslims WANT Sharia Law!!!

Not so fast. Sharia is terror. Amputation and stoning are terror.
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More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

Hmmm?
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Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

A very significant minority approve of violence to advance Islam. Silencing critics advances Islam.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/youll-be-shocked-with-how-many-american-muslims-want-sharia-law/
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 09:12 pm
@coldjoint,
Why are you posting links from a White Supremacist group?

The Anti-Defamation League (a Jewish group to fight antisemitism that isn't particularly pro-Islam) calls this group bigoted. I don't think this poll has much credibility.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-deeply-troubled-by-american-military-officials-speaking-at-conference-co

coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 13 May, 2019 09:34 pm
@maxdancona,
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Why are you posting links from a White Supremacist group?

Because it is the truth. The truth comes from many places. Now prove it is a white supremacist site. I mean proof.

From my link
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By SOOPERMEXICAN

Is he a white supremacist?
If you are referring to the picture, it is a picture. If you think this derailment will continue it wont. Supremacy does not come just in colors and it is racist to think so. You don't even practice what you preach.

One more time, Islam teaches hate and violence, and right under our noses. Nothing you have said changes that. Bye.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2019 02:23 pm
Still waiting for proof from Max. I guess he has none.
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