CNN beat in ratings by Food network, Family Guy reruns, youtubers making videos in living room

Mon 22 Apr, 2019 05:19 pm
CNN had its lowest primetime weekly ratings overall and in the key age demographic last week, according to Nielsen Media Research.

From April 8-12, the network only averaged an audience of 690,000 people and 180,000 in the key 25-54 age demographic. Their coverage last week included three presidential town halls with New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee and Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. (Every CNN Presidential Town Hall Finished Behind MSNBC And Fox News In Ratings)

Gillibrand’s town hall only had 507,000 viewers, compared to Inslee’s 549,000 and Castro’s 654,000.

Comparatively, last week, MSNBC’s prime time lineup averaged 1,600,000 viewers with 249,000 in the key demo. Fox News managed to beat CNN and MSNBC combined, with a total viewership of 2,438,000 and 394,000 in the age range.

The top networks for primetime viewership last week were led by Fox News, followed by MSNBC, the Home and Garden TV, USA Network and TBS Network to round out the top five.

CNN finished 15th, behind networks like Discovery Channel, Food Network, TLC and A&E Network. Their ratings have continued to drop following the conclusion of the Mueller report. It appears like they might have a difficult time bouncing back after investing two years of heavy coverage on the investigation into the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with the Kremlin.

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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 05:21 pm
youtube journalist Tim Pool explains how he regularly gets multiple times as many viewers as CNN, just making videos in his living room with a webcam.

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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 05:51 pm
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:09 pm
The public is rejecting CNN's propaganda in droves.

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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:28 pm
You don't say!

Did you know that 12x12 is 144 which when you add the digits together is 9?

You see, television ratings aren't near as important as you'd like to make everyone think they are.

Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:32 pm
Let me guess,

you believe that free speech is allowed on college campuses, and in big tech companies, and you believe Trump is a "Russian secret agent", don't you?
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:40 pm
I believe free speech, as long as it is not promoting harm or any sort, should be allowed on all campuses, especially the taxpayer funded ones (state and community colleges/universities).

Big tech companies, I am a little less sure. You'd need to say what you mean by free speech there.

And, no, I'd don't think Trump is a Russian spy.

...more of a marionette.
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:41 pm
Trump to CNN: 'Congratulations' on Lowest Ratings of the Year

President Donald Trump on Monday mocked CNN after The Daily Caller reported the news network posted its lowest ratings of the year this past week.

Trump tweeted, "Congratulations!" along with a link to The Daily Caller article noting CNN averaged an audience of 690,000 people the week of April 8-12, with only 180,000 viewers between the ages of 25-54, a vital demographic for the network. That same week, MSNBC averaged 1,600,000 viewers in prime time, with 249,000 aged 25-54. Fox News performed even better with 2,438,000 viewers and 394,000 in that age range.

During that time, CNN hosted three presidential town halls with Democratic candidates, including Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., Washington Gov. Jay Inslee and former House and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro. Gillibrand's town hall performed the worst, ratings-wise, with 507,000 viewers, lagging behind Inslee's 549,000 and Castro's 654,000.

CNN finished that week as the 15th most popular basic cable network, after the Food Network, the Discovery Channel, TLC, and A&E.


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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:50 pm
Did you know that 12x12 is 144 which when you add the digits together is 9

In a fair capitalist society, the business producing the best product becomes the most successful.

Fox News and youtubers are KILLING all other TV news in viewers.

Consumers will not tolerate sub-par products, like fake news, conspiracy theories, and propaganda. Consumers vote with their wallets, and that's where the power is.

A company with a business model built on purposely misinforming people will fail. It will not be tolerated.
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 09:04 pm
Fox's demographic contains mostly old white men who either have retired or are in homes .
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 09:51 pm
demographic contains mostly old white men who either have retired or are in homes

False. And you would have known this was false if you had watched the video by Tim Pool in my first reply. But if you're the type of person who thinks CNN has any journalistic credibility left, than it would make sense that you wouldn't know this.

Fox's biggest demographic is the 24-55 yr old range.

Also, nice of you to throw in 'white' and 'men'. Shows where your biases lay.
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 10:27 pm
Yeah, Fox News produces the best inane bullshit of all the News channels. It's a laugh. That's why I watch it.
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 11:26 pm
NewsGuard considers Fox News a healthy part of your news diet

Some would agree! Others would disagree! But that’s the challenge of creating a simple green/red label for a news site: You’ve got to have a cut-off line somewhere, and for NewsGuard, it’s somewhere south of Fox News.

As soon as NewsGuard — the Steve Brill/Gordon Crovitz startup that aims to rate every significant news and “news” site as reliable or not — was first announced, the questions began: What will it say about Fox News?

Or as our own Ken Doctor put it in March, writing about the green-for-good, red-for-bad color system the company uses:

NewsGuard could be a simple, elegant solution to both the honest hand-wringing and the overwrought blather about fake news. But we still have to ask the question that NewsGuard won’t answer until it has to: What color is Fox News?

Well, NewsGuard officially launched the first public version of its primary tool (a browser extension) yesterday, which means “What color is Fox News?” is now officially a question it has to answer. And the answer is:


Which means, in NewsGuardese, that “This website generally maintains basic standards of accuracy and accountability.”

Or, as the company describes its ratings: “Our Green-Red ratings signal if a website is trying to get it right or instead has a hidden agenda or knowingly publishes falsehoods or propaganda.”

Or, as it also puts it, the green and red ratings let you “easily determine which you can trust and which you should read with caution.” Phew, that caution was getting tiring!

These are some other sites “you can trust,” according to NewsGuard: the conservative Daily Caller and Daily Wire, and the liberal Second Nexus and PoliticusUSA.

These are ones you should “read with caution”: Palmer Report (“highly speculative…misleading”), The Political Insider (“regularly publishes false and misleading stories”), Hannity (“advance[s] a variety of conspiracy theories”), Gateway Pundit (“regularly distorts information”), Breitbart (“sometimes distorts or omits facts to fit its agenda”), the Daily Mail (“repeatedly publishes false information”), 100PercentFedUp (“inaccurate stories and headlines”), Bipartisan Report (“anonymous articles…sensational headlines”), Shareblue (“charged, misleading language”), and Daily Kos (“often add[s] commentary and exaggeration”).

More on them below, but first back to Fox News.

NewsGuard dings Fox News on 3 of the 9 factors on which it rates news sites, saying it has issues with regularly correcting its errors, disclosing its ownership and financing, and revealing “who’s in charge, including any possible conflicts of interest.” On the other 6 factors — not publishing false content repeatedly, gathering and publishing information responsibly, avoiding deceptive headlines, differentiating news and opinion “responsibly,” clearly labeling advertising, and providing information about reporters — Fox News passes.

Does any of that seem strange to you? NewsGuard’s explanation — which you can see if you add the browser extension and go to foxnews.com yourself; unfortunately, I can’t link to it — illustrates the difficulty in coming up with a way of rating news sites that is systematic and consistent. For example: Two of the three areas where Fox fares poorly involve…I guess having a sub-par about page? Is the fact that Fox News is owned by 21st Century Fox a secret? Is Rupert Murdoch’s role in the company unknown? NewsGuard falls back on some fairly legalistic thinking on this one:

It only discloses its ownership by 21st Century Fox within the content found by clicking on a Terms of Use button at the bottom of the site. It does not link to any information about 21st Century Fox, including its control by conservative and Trump confidant Rupert Murdoch. The corporate information area of the site’s media relations link notes that Murdoch is the executive chairman but does not specify ownership.

Those seem, to put it charitably, relatively low on the list of issues one might have with Fox News.

NewsGuard notes that its evaluation is of the Fox News website, not the TV channel:

Foxnews.com offers breaking, political, and entertainment news, live video of major events, and both news and features on the environment, science, technology, sports, weather, and health. It resembles the more traditional news coverage found on Fox News Channel during much of the network’s morning and afternoon programs, including shows hosted by Shepard Smith and Bret Baier. The website should not be confused with the programming of Fox News’ flagship prime time shows. It diverges often in subject matter and tone from the opinion-driven evening programs associated with former longtime Fox News mainstay Bill O’Reilly and now the hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingraham.

Have a look around FoxNews.com and see what you think. Or see what the top of its homepage looked like Tuesday evening shortly after President Trump’s campaign manager and personal attorney racked up 16 felonies between them. (Here’s what CNN.com looked like at the time.)

I’d also argue it’s pretty hard to differentiate Fox News the network from Fox News the website — given that the website’s homepage livestreams the network, and that video of all those TV shows is both on the website and quite popular there! Last month, according to comScore data, FoxNews.com served more video streams on desktop alone (133 million) than it had monthly unique visitors on desktop and mobile combined (90 million). Here’s a page on FoxNews.com, for instance, where you can see Sean Hannity batting around Seth Rich/WikiLeaks conspiracy theories on air.

But look, I’m not here to complain about Fox News. Whatever your opinion of the network, it’s unlikely to be changed by me or by NewsGuard. I’m not even here to particularly complain about NewsGuard. They’re trying to attack a real problem in misinformation; they’re doing interesting work that I enjoyed exploring. But the upside of this sort of labeling — a quick way to make a judgment at a glance — is in direct tension with the nuance modern media literacy requires. Especially if you want to help “readers and viewers know which [sites] are trying to do legitimate journalism — and which are not.”

In Jacobellis vs. Ohio, Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart was faced with the challenge of defining “hard-core pornography” in legal terms. Perhaps, he mused, he “could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it.” I applaud NewsGuard’s efforts at categorizing the web — but sometimes, you just know it when you see it.

With the release of NewsGuard’s tool, I spent a couple hours furiously navigating the news/“news” web, looking for what ratings work had already been completed. And most of it seemed perfectly well done — if, again, sometimes too caught up in technicalities to capture a site’s zeitgeist.

Among the green sites I saw: national newspapers (The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The Guardian); network news operations (ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, PBS Newshour, BBC News, CNN, MSNBC, NPR); mainstream magazines (The New Yorker, The Atlantic, GQ, Forbes, National Geographic); all the major metro newspapers I checked; and major digital natives (BuzzFeed News, Deadspin, Business Insider, TechCrunch, Vox, The Daily Beast, Quartz, The Verge).

Also green were the majority of politics sites I saw, even those with a pronounced slant: leaning left, sites like Salon, Talking Points Memo, HuffPost, Mic, The Daily Beast, and Media Matters; leaning right, Daily Caller, Daily Wire, IJR, The Daily Signal, The Federalist, Townhall, and the Washington Examiner. (I’m sure plenty of people would have arguments against several of those sites’ greenness.)

So what’s red? A few liberal sites: Shareblue, Bipartisan Reports, Palmer Report, and (surprisingly to me, at least) Daily Kos. (NewsGuard’s complaints there are mostly about the work of non-staff contributors to the site.) What seems, from my searching, to be a somewhat larger number of conservative sites: Breitbart, RushLimbaugh.com, Hannity, The Blaze, Infowars, Conservative Tribune, Right Wing News. (As far as I can tell, NewsGuard doesn’t provide a centralized list of sites its reviewed, so there are no doubt lots of sites I’ve missed.) Plus propaganda sites (RT, Sputnik), tabloids (National Enquirer), bogus health sites (Natural News), conspiracy sites (Infowars), and what could fairly be labeled as fake news sites (Your News Wire, 100PercentFedUp).

There are also still many news/“news” sites that haven’t yet been rated. Some that I found: FiveThirtyEight, The New Republic, lots of alt-weeklies, RealClearPolitics, Twitchy, Drudge Report, American Spectator, Democracy Now, The Weekly Standard, Circa, RedState, HotAir, WikiLeaks, Liberty Writers News, Lifezette, Reveal, the Center for Public Integrity, Jacobin, Taki’s Magazine, PolitiFact, Occupy Democrats, Addicting Info, VDARE, The Fiscal Times, AlterNet, Free Republic, Prison Planet, Lew Rockwell, and Project Veritas.

What about Facebook pages or tweets or YouTube videos or /r/conspiracytheoriesarefun? None of their sites or subsections get a green or red rating; they get a yellow badge that notes they contain lots of unvetted user-generated content that “may not be reliable.” (NewsGuard can sometimes detect links to rated sites shared within social platforms, though.) The same is true of Wikipedia; since NewsGuard hasn’t gotten to every sketchy site on the web yet, you can sometimes get search results that tell you the Wikipedia entry on the Daily Stormer is something to be cautious about — but is silent on the Daily Stormer itself.

Finally, you may have seen this chart by Vanessa Otero that circulates around every so often. It attempts to place a number of news organizations on a two-axis grid, aiming to measure its ideological slant and its journalistic quality. I’d have some quibbles with it, as I’m sure you would too, but it’s a solid effort. I looked at all the sites on the chart to see how NewsGuard rates them; here’s the result (click to embiggen). As you can see, NewsGuard’s and Otero’s evaluations line up pretty well.

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