the homework cheating industry threatening to destroy culuture and tradition do you agree

@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

She threw your books in a canal????? Outrageous, and good riddance. (the wife, not the books)

I was at the time very annoy indeed but that is far far in my past.

Indeed not that long ago a lawyer called me for some strange reason as it been many decades since I had seen her last to inform me that she had passed away.

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@BillRM,

My first husband made me give up my cocker spaniel 'Toby'. I would have saved myself a lot of grief if I had kept the puppy and got rid of him.

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@glitterbag,

I've got some old copies of Punch magazine dating to when Robert Gascoyne‑Cecil was prime minister. Some of the stuff can be amusing, others quite shocking.

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@tsarstepan,

This is a dirty industry, but there are (at least in my country) some serious problems threatening the quality of school education that may well force the hand of some students to do something exactly akin to the above.

Simple facts: 1. Some students have requirements for their studies (for instance, the dutch language), but there are no teachers to actually teach them the material they need to study. So they don't get any lessons, but they are nevertheless still required to pass this particular exam in order to get their diploma.
Couple that with the fact that education is becoming increasingly more expensive, requiring students to premeditate on the education they desire and to invest in their future in terms of a loan, and you get

a) increasing (financial) pressure to complete your education in a timely manner and
b) problems meeting the requirements for their exams not due to your own failure, but due to the failing system.

Can we all at least agree that these combined factors would certainly make this 'cheating' behavior more prevalent, however problematic it may be? If the system fails the students, can you blame them for trying to get their degree in a less savory manner?

There's more at stake than just their honor: it's their livelihood and the financial burdens that loom on the horizon as well.

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@najmelliw,

Right, and if everyone buys top flight essays except for you, you're not going to look so good academically.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

What about the engineer that is buried in required Engineering classes adn also has to get a "well rounded" education so also has to devote hours into a pointless 12 page essay on a famous historic figure from Ancient Greece for a liberal arts history class? Instead of learning the things that will keep the bridge from falling he instead has to find out and research who Aristophanes was and write a paper about him?

You a few million light years off about how academia and college educations work.

An engineer isn't an engineer until he or she gets a Masters degree. An engineering student wouldn't be taking a liberal arts elective like history while going for a master's degree.

If the student is going for their bachelors (even a bachelor's of science)? Can hardly call him or herself an engineer. Let alone someone granted the opportunity to design a fully functioning bridge for a city or state or third party corporation.

I'm certain you'll be fine with the engineering student looking for cheat help also regarding their master's levels engineering courses. We've had alleged doctoral students looking for people to help them write part or all of their dissertations here at a2k.

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@tsarstepan,

See, we have differing opinions on where the importance of education should have weight. What I wrote was more of a devil's advocate question. I don't think that people should cheat in school.

I can, however, see how a student could seek out help. Especially a struggling student, deep in debt, trying to his/her head above water might seek help getting some of that weight taken off their shoulders.

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@tsarstepan,

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An engineer isn't an engineer until he or she gets a Masters degree.

That is not true in the US. Engineers with four year degrees are doing all sorts of critical work although for some projects you need to be a licensed "professional engineer" which involves certification from whatever state you are in.

I did have to take some of those humanities as a student and some of them were pretty bogus (or at least I thought so at the time) but I think requiring a few is a good idea. I think there is more value in doing that for engineering where the base course work is so focused. There is a lot more to being a valuable member of society than just making bridges that don't fall down, but if the pressure is such and you need to buy a paper, that defeats the purpose.

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@jespah,

jespah wrote:

He should still do his own work. Cheating in this area creates a presumption that he may cut corners elsewhere.

Not if he doesn't get caught. You can't have a "presumption" about something you don't know about.

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@maxdancona,

Yes she can, it's called being a judge of human nature and chances are if someone is dishonest in one area of their life they'll be dishonest in others.

As usual you're talking out of your arse.

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I agree with Jespah. When you cheat in school you only cheat yourself. My history advisor in university was always making this point. Students who didn't buy that were constantly caught by his pop quizzes which required a knowledge of the assigned texts. Asking him if somethhing was going to "be on the test" was the kiss of death.

He was right, tao. If you didn't read and understand the assigned reading, you were just handicapped in future courses, no matter who the Prof was. You can't expect to get a useful degree without a thorough understanding of the subject. Since I have been posting here, my attitude has changed. I don't mind explaining things to people, but I'll be damned if I'll do their homework for them.

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This thread is full of logical fallacies.

1) If someone cheats in an English course... it does not mean that they will cheat in a math or engineering class. It is completely possible to cheat in one place without cheating in another. Human beings are not rule following robots. They make decisions about what is important and where they are personally willing to break the rules.

Last year, I drove a car knowing full well that the registration had expired. This is illegal, I broke the rules. I rationalized that I wasn't hurting anyone (the car belong to me and was safe) and that any risk I was taken was only too me. I was willing to break this rule. On the other hand, I am religious about never parking in a handicap spot. This, in my own personal sense of morality is a much more important rule because it has the possibility of causing harm to someone else. The fact I am willing to break a rule in one place doesn't mean that I will break it elsewhere... we make our own judgments.

2) If someone cheated in high school or college... it does not mean that they will cheat in their adult career. People change, grow and mature over the years. If there aren't things you did in high school that you wouldn't do as an adult, you either had a sad childhood or a pathetic adulthood.

3) If you don't know someone cheated... then you can't possibly judge them for cheating (this is the most ridiculous claim made on this thread so far).

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

jespah wrote:

He should still do his own work. Cheating in this area creates a presumption that he may cut corners elsewhere.

Not if he doesn't get caught. You can't have a "presumption" about something you don't know about.

Yes you can. That's why many universities have a zero tolerance policy on plagiarism and cheating. You're caught once and you face immediate expulsion.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

jespah wrote:

He should still do his own work. Cheating in this area creates a presumption that he may cut corners elsewhere.

Not if he doesn't get caught. You can't have a "presumption" about something you don't know about.

Yes you can. That's why many universities have a zero tolerance policy on plagiarism and cheating. You're caught once and you face immediate expulsion.

Self reported polling suggests that 86 percent of college students cheat. It doesn't seem like these policies are helping.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

tsarstepan wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

jespah wrote:

He should still do his own work. Cheating in this area creates a presumption that he may cut corners elsewhere.

Not if he doesn't get caught. You can't have a "presumption" about something you don't know about.

Yes you can. That's why many universities have a zero tolerance policy on plagiarism and cheating. You're caught once and you face immediate expulsion.

Self reported polling suggests that 86 percent of college students cheat. It doesn't seem like these policies are helping.

That's cute that you think I'm in a position to take this and run with it (policy action wise). I'm just pointing out the facts of existing academic policies.

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these policies are helping.

Maybe correct but it's certainly pointless to point that fact out. You need to tell the people running universities at the academic policy level.

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@tsarstepan,

It sounds like we are in agreement on both points.

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@McGentrix,

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I can, however, see how a student could seek out help. Especially a struggling student, deep in debt, trying to his/her head above water might seek help getting some of that weight taken off their shoulders.

Yeah I can also see how someone who is out of job due to no fault of their own (ie downsizing) and is struggling deep in credit card debt to feed his/her family might seek to hold up a bank thus getting some of this financial burden off their shoulders.

There are many people in both these same situations that do not resort to cheating - (now this is different than say seeking out help from a teacher or someone else) - but not getting a paper written for them. Or resort to stealing.

As other said - if someone cheats at something you do not necessarily have the trust that they won't elsewhere. Especially when there are equally qualified candidates that did not cheat. Which would you prefer to hire?

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@Linkat,

Linkat wrote:

tsarstepan wrote:

do you agree or not and write please why
(remember to spell check and grammar check your work... I mean replies)

6000 words minimum needed.

Does anyone else find this question ironic?

You are a funny man.

Whether I am or am not a funny individual (successful delivery wise), no one can say I don't put any effort into my humorous endeavors on pointing out ridiculous threads here at a2k.

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@jespah,

What you describe is where we’re headed. The smartest kids will be writing papers for a few, and the richest kids will be killing us with substandard work as doctors, engineers, and generals.

These iPhone generation kids can’t be bothered to read or write.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

These iPhone generation kids can’t be bothered to read or write.

Please stop with the over the top generational bashing already. It's silly and arrogant and goofy. No generation can claim to be populated by the most bookish and diligent students in history. Every generation has their own version of cheats and slackers.

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Here are a few examples from the homework cheating industry that some people here are defending. Many of them tend to be terrible writers (and most likely don't actually write the essays they're spamming about; my first example being a mild exception to that rule).

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I am Master of International relations and Law.
In 2013 I graduated Master 2 Law of the European Union at University in France. From November 2014 I am a freelancer.
I work as a writer of English and French essays and a homework helper. I have written a large number of English and French essays in the field of American and English Literature, International Relations, Political Science, EU Law, Tourism, Photography, Computer Science, Economic, etc. My passion is writing. My principal goal is to help students who meet difficulties to write their essays, assignments, reviews, presentations, etc.

isabellathackeray
No spam link given in profile. Spam posts might have been deleted by admins.

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Hi! My name is Dorothy, I am a private tutor. I also have a blog with useful tips for students. For instance, do you know how to write an interview essay example or requirements of Chicago Tribune Style Citation? The Chicago Tribune offers two different ways to cite works. Below are the notes and bibliography style used for Chicago Tribune. The first line represents the citation page and the second line is the citation format within the text. Make sure to check with any professors when it comes to the format they want used when citing notes and bibliographies.

Book – With One Author
Author Name, Book Name (City Published In: Name of Publisher, Year Published), Pages.
Author Last Name Only, Book Name, Pages.

Book - With Two or More Authors
Author Name and Author Name, Book Name, (City Published: Publisher Name, Year Published), Pages.
Last Names of Authors (When only two authors), Book Name, Pages.

Three authors – Last Name, Last Name, and Full Name. Book Name, City Published: Publisher, Year Published.

Four or more authors — First authors full name and then et al., Book Name, City Published: Publisher, Year Published.

Editors, Translators or Compilers – No Author
Translator Name, Trans., Book Name (City: Publisher name, Year Published), Pages.
Last Name of Translator, Book Name, Pages.

Editor, Translator or Compiler – With An Author
Author Name, Book Name, Trans. Translator Name (City: Publisher Name, Year Published), Pages.
Author Name, Book Name, Pages.

dorothybealm
Spam link provided in profile. Her posts are atrociously written.

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