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Calls for Sainthood As Pope Laid to Rest

 
 
husker
 
Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 10:23 pm
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By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - With presidents and kings looking on, hundreds of thousands of pilgrims in St. Peter's Square sang, applauded and chanted for the church to declare John Paul II a saint as the pope was laid to rest Friday in an unprecedented gathering of the mighty and the meek.

John Paul, who spread his message of peace to all corners of the planet, was buried among his predecessors back to the apostle Peter while tens of millions followed the funeral rites in their homes, in overflowing churches and on giant television screens set up in fields, sports stadiums and town squares.

In St. Peter's Square, at the center of it all, the book of the Gospels lay on a simple cypress coffin, adorned with a cross and an "M" for the Virgin Mary. A brisk wind lifted the book's pages and rippled the red vestments of cardinals, along with the turbans, fezzes and yarmulkes worn by leaders of other faiths touched by the global pope.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a confidant of the pope and a possible successor, delivered a homily that traced John Paul's path from a factory worker in Nazi-occupied Poland to the leader of the world's 1 billion Catholics.

"Our hearts are full of sadness, yet at the same time of joyful hope and profound gratitude," Ratzinger said. Usually unflappable, the German-born cardinal choked with emotion. "Santo! Santo!" the crowd responded, waving banners reading "Santo Subito" ?- "Immediate Sainthood."

"I'm here not only to pray for him, but also to pray to him, because I believe he's a saint," said Therese Ivers, 24, of Ventura, Calif., holding high an American flag in the middle of the crowd on the broad Via della Conciliazione, which stretches from St. Peter's Square to the Tiber River.

The dignitaries from 138 countries reflected the extraordinary mix of faiths and cultures that John Paul courted during his 26-year papacy: Orthodox bishops in long black robes, Jews in yarmulkes, Arabs in checkered head scarves, Central Asians in lambskin caps and Western political leaders in dark suits.

In a gesture the pope would certainly have applauded, Israeli President Moshe Katsav said he shook hands and chatted briefly with the leaders of his country's archenemies, Syria and Iran.

Bells tolled as the delegations took their places on red-cushioned wooden seats. President Bush, accompanied by his predecessors Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, was the first American president to attend a papal funeral.

The 2 1/2-hour Mass began with the Vatican's Sistine Choir singing the Gregorian chant, "Grant Him Eternal Rest, O Lord."

Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals, said John Paul was a "priest to the last" who offered his life for God and his flock, "especially amid the sufferings of his final months." He was interrupted by applause at least 10 times.

The Mass ended with cardinals, dignitaries and pilgrims standing and singing: "May the angels accompany you into heaven, may the martyrs welcome you when you arrive, and lead you to Holy Jerusalem."

Twelve white-gloved pallbearers carried the coffin back into St. Peter's Basilica, where it was nested inside a second casket of zinc and a third of walnut.

In a spontaneous gesture of respect, cardinals standing along the aisles removed their "zucchettos," or skull caps as the coffin went by, according to Washington Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. "It was the last tribute to the Holy Father," he said.

In a grotto beneath the basilica, the casket was lowered into the ground in a plot inside a small chapel, between the tombs of two women: Queen Christina of Sweden and Queen Carlotta of Cyprus, said a senior Vatican official who attended the ceremony.

"Lord, grant him eternal rest, and may perpetual light shine upon him," said Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo, who performed the private service.

The Vatican grottoes ?- cramped, narrow passageways below the existing basilica ?- hold the remains of popes of centuries past, including the tomb traditionally believed to hold those of the apostle Peter, the first pope. Royals and the Roman Emperor Otto II are also buried there.

Papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said the Vatican would announce in a few days when the grottoes would be reopened to the public. Keeping them closed was a way of clearing the city of the throngs of pilgrims.

A drizzle began to fall Friday afternoon as exhausted travelers with overstuffed backpacks trudged toward bus and train stations. Poles whose 24-hour trips to Rome had ended only hours earlier got back in their cars for the long drive home.

During the ceremony, at least 300,000 people who camped out overnight on chilly streets filled St. Peter's Square and spilled out onto the Via della Conciliazione. Millions more watched on giant video screens set up across Rome, from university campuses to the Circus Maximus, where ancient Romans held chariot races centuries before Christianity was born.

Funerals in the last century for Mohandas Gandhi of India, Mao Zedong of China and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran drew millions, too, but they lacked the presence of leaders from so many nations.

The Israeli president said his handshake with Syrian President Bashar Assad came at the point in the service when members of the congregation "exchange the peace." Britain's Prince Charles drew criticism from two European Union legislators for shaking hands at that same moment with Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe, whose government is reviled internationally.

Despite the crowd's size Friday, there were few disturbances, and strangers shared food, water and umbrellas for shade in an outpouring of kindness that honored John Paul's message. When pilgrims broke out into song, others joined the hymns in different languages.

"We are the generation of John Paul II," said Mara Poole, a 27-year-old housewife from St. Paul, Minn., tears streaming down her face.

Hundreds of thousands of Poles who came for the funeral waved their red-and-white national flag. Some carried banners with the logo of "Solidarity," the Polish labor movement the pope supported in his confrontations with communism.

"He was all people's father, especially for us, the Poles," said Dominika Bolechowska, 29, a teacher from the pope's favorite mountain town of Zakopane, who traveled 28 hours by bus and spent a night on the streets with her 2-year-old son.

Across Africa, Asia and the Americas, church bells tolled and millions of people gathered in open fields, sports stadiums, town squares and cathedrals to watch the funeral on large screens. Millions more mourned privately at home.

Live footage was beamed across the Middle East by the television station al-Jazeera, and Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs joined Roman Catholics in church services and prayers throughout Asia to honor the pope.

Rome itself, where an estimated 4 million pilgrims doubled the population, was at a standstill as extraordinary security measures went in place. Authorities banned vehicle traffic throughout the city and combat jets, anti-aircraft batteries and an AWACS surveillance plane enforced an order to close airspace.

Two hours after the funeral, two Italian F-16 fighter jets intercepted an executive plane heading to Rome that intelligence sources worried might be carrying a bomb, an Air Force spokesman said. No bomb was found. Authorities searched and cleared a second plane on the ground.

Naval ships patrolled both the Mediterranean coast and the Tiber near Vatican City, the tiny sovereign city-state encompassed by the Italian capital. Carabinieri armed with automatic rifles stood at virtually every major intersection, and snipers were posted on rooftops.

School was canceled in Rome, and government workers got the day off. Many stores were shuttered, with signs reading: "Closed for mourning in honor of His Sanctity John Paul II."

"The entire world is here," said Sister Claudira Ribeira Santos, a Brazilian nun. "John Paul managed to speak for all humanity in an era of wars and natural disasters, for peace and reconciliation. He tore down the walls of countries, of classes, of religions."
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 10:24 pm
I guess you have to strike while the iron is hot - but it seems so soon.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 10:38 pm
Saint...? Pray TO him...?


I get off at this stop.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:12 pm
Lol - wonder if Lash's response sort of sums up why people mostly get sainted long after they are dead.

Like - praying to (DO Catholics still pray to saints? - anyhoo) someone you have known, to some extent, as a real human, is going to seem odd to most of us:

"Pray to the blessed St John."

JOHN?

"Yes, to the blessed St John."

Was he John Smithers?

"Yes, the blessed one was known as that in his earthly life."

From Wapping?

"Yes, he was born in the holy Wapping, site of his shrine."

But he used to pull my hair.

"Even saints have sinned."

He used to fart in the bath!

"Indeed, he, too was human - may we all hope for his grace."

No, but seriously - he used to get drunk on the communion wine when he was an altar-boy!

"May we all be able to rise above our human frailty as the blessed St John did."

And then go looking for goats.....




Anyhoo - to argue against myself - I imagine millions of semi-crazed people worldwide would have wanted Pricess Di sainted just after her death...

People are odd.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:18 pm
Anyhoo - to argue against myself - I imagine millions of semi-crazed people worldwide would have wanted Pricess Di sainted just after her death...

Well has she been canonised yet then?
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Misti26
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:19 pm
Our beloved Pope Paul was the very person who decideded not to change the law of waiting 5 years before declaring sainthood. However, he is already a saint in my eyes.

Yes, I pray to saints, to Mary, to Jesus, to my parents and to my family who are long gone.

Nobody has ever come back to tell me to stop, but the results have been remarkable!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:25 pm
They're getting ready I think. I heard a story on the radio this morning that a couple believes that Pope John Paul II performed a mirace in healing their very sick child. I'm not sure of the process but I think they need to find evidence of more than one miracle. Of course the quicker they move the best chance of finding miralces.

But if there others who have been Beatified, the Blessed, already waiting wouldn't it be a bit of an affront to push them aside? Or is it done differently these days?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:36 pm
goodfielder wrote:
They're getting ready I think. I heard a story on the radio this morning that a couple believes that Pope John Paul II performed a mirace in healing their very sick child. I'm not sure of the process but I think they need to find evidence of more than one miracle. Of course the quicker they move the best chance of finding miralces.

But if there others who have been Beatified, the Blessed, already waiting wouldn't it be a bit of an affront to push them aside? Or is it done differently these days?


The Christian Century Foundation reported the following on January 25, 2005..... Pope John Paul II is reported to be considering a proposal to abolish miracles as requirements for sainthood. Perhaps he was preparing the way? I do not know the outcome of this proposal. It really doesn't concern me one way or the other since I am not Catholic.

Having said that, Pope John Paul II was one of the most popular men on earth. I am sure he will be criticized for many things, but he was a good man who truly cared for the faithful.
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Misti26
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:46 pm
I'm sure there are those who didn't find Pope Paul II to their liking, but I am also sure they are few and far between.

If it were up to me, I would make Pope Paul II a saint this very moment.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2005 11:51 pm
Yes he will be criticised for many things Intrepid. But of course criticism of his failings -for example his refusal to countenance the use of condoms by Catholics to try to preven the spread of AIDS - is probably more a criticism of Catholic doctrine than the man himself. If he called it like he saw it then at least he was consistent to the doctrine of his church. Can't knock that too hard. I suppose Christians of a more progressive social bent can always leave the Catholic Church and find succour in another denomination that accords more closely with their secular beliefs, just as some have left socially progressive denominations to join the more conservative Catholic Church.

Anyway, as you indicate, the Catholic Church is unto itself so if they beatify and canonise Pope John Paul II before next weekend it's none of my business.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2005 07:07 am
Since I am not a Catholic and do not believe in sainthood I couldn't care less whether he was declared a Saint or not. They would however, have to ignore miracle requirement or at least bend it to fit. But than IMO there is no such thing as miracles so what the heck.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2005 09:41 am
Can someone explain when someone is made a saint what exactly does that mean. What for instance is a saint supposed to do or be.
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