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The 'Holy Ghost'; He, She...or "It"?

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 01:27 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Well, there is the pronoun "it," which, conveniently, rhymes with bullsh*t.


Well, yes. Why would a unique entity have gender in the first place? What would it do with it?
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 01:40 am
@roger,
Presumably what single men have been doing with it for millennia.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 04:30 am
@MadJW,
MadJW wrote:

The Hebrew and Greek words used mean "breath" or "wind"; unseen forces.


You're saying the Holy Spirit is some sort of divine fart. That must be why people say "Jesus!" when they get a whiff of a particularly pungent air biscuit.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 04:31 am
@MadJW,
MadJW wrote:

His spirit was in Job's nose!


Jesus!
MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 10:41 pm
@vikorr,
"@MadJW,
I'm guessing then, that as you believe him to be a spirit / power, that he is everywhere / in everything. That raises a question - how can one be 'in his presence', is it just a significant concentration of his power?

As an aside, in relation to your use of the pronoun 'He', I would be careful of anything written many years after the fact (ie. the bible) - particularly in a patriarchal society. Anyone being moved by the spirit of God, in such a society, is likely to interpret God as male, no matter what the reality. And if 'He' is a spirit/power, then 'He' is almost certainly gender neutral (having no need of organs of either sex)."

No need to assume- and gender is a metaphor, too; no such thing as a woman dominated society- except legend about 'Amazons'....
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MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 10:43 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I'm guessing then, that as you believe him to be a spirit / power, that he is everywhere / in everything. That raises a question - how can one be 'in his presence', is it just a significant concentration of his power?

As an aside, in relation to your use of the pronoun 'He', I would be careful of anything written many years after the fact (ie. the bible) - particularly in a patriarchal society. Anyone being moved by the spirit of God, in such a society, is likely to interpret God as male, no matter what the reality. And if 'He' is a spirit/power, then 'He' is almost certainly gender neutral (having no need of organs of either sex).


No need to assume- and the gender, too, is likely a metaphor: no such thing as a woman- dominated society- except in myths about Amazons...
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MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 10:46 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

MadJW wrote:

His spirit was in Job's nose!


Jesus!


JESUS was in Job's nose?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 01:32 am
@MadJW,
You do know that Jesus wasn't just someone who went round doing massive farts. He did other stuff too, some of his burps were pretty spectacular.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 11:21 am
@izzythepush,
Those who imagine that " holy spirit" is some kind of a ghost with objective reality and super power is suffering from spiritual materialism or else is a five-year-old.

That would be like imagining "school spirit" as a ghost who hangs out in the girls locker room, a sort of perverted, ghostly voyeur.

Spirit is always a subjective experience, whether divine or otherwise, and I see no reason to project it and assign it its own objective reality.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 11:31 am
@coluber2001,
But you're not a nutter like some on this thread.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 12:46 pm
@izzythepush,
That's what I want on my tombstone, "He wasn't a nutter".
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 12:59 pm
@coluber2001,
Spike Milligan wanted. "I told them I was ill" put on his but the council wouldn't allow it.
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MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jan, 2019 09:03 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I'm guessing then, that as you believe him to be a spirit / power, that he is everywhere / in everything. That raises a question - how can one be 'in his presence', is it just a significant concentration of his power?

As an aside, in relation to your use of the pronoun 'He', I would be careful of anything written many years after the fact (ie. the bible) - particularly in a patriarchal society. Anyone being moved by the spirit of God, in such a society, is likely to interpret God as male, no matter what the reality. And if 'He' is a spirit/power, then 'He' is almost certainly gender neutral (having no need of organs of either sex).


Of course!
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MadJW
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jan, 2019 09:05 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The Holy Spirit got a woman pregnant.

That is masculine in the biological sense of the word.


The "POWER" of the "Most High" did- as Gabriel explained it to Mary.
God- or ONE of 'Them'- didn't have sex with her.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 04:01 pm
@Setanta,
The bible was written for believers. If you don't believe then it is nonsense by definition. The choice is up to you.
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:15 pm
You are talking about figures of speech. The figure of speech we are discussing is "condescensio", where a higher being "condescends" to be described in terms that apply to a lower being. Our God is not he, she or it, but we have no other words, so our God "condescends" to be described in human terms. Another example is when we say a man "gets up on his hind legs". A man does not have hind legs, so he condescends to be described in words that refer to an animal.

Here is a free download written by E. W. Bullinger, an Anglican minister about 1908. It describes about 900 kinds of figures and gives references to their use in the bible. It is almost the only work in the subject for the last two thousand years:
archive.org/details/figuresofspeechu00bull

You can get a hard copy at any bible book store or amazon.com
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