@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The truth is that nations DO exist, that they are headed by governments who also DO exist and that they DO all sorts of things that DO have an impact on economy, culture and the environment. Your denial of nations does not make them go away.
What are you talking about with 'existence?' Of course they exist. All information and ideas exist. What you're doing, however, is to deny that people are global and we are just 'branded' with various identities, including national identity.
You have to look at reality beyond brands and identity politics. The universe is not organized into mutually exclusive categories and territories, national or otherwise.
Quote:Ask the good folks in the migrants caravan if borders are real or not, and whether it matters or not which country you live in. Ask anyone who has ever lived abroad, for that matter.
Of course borders are real. The Berlin wall was real. The Korean DMZ is real. Apartheid in South Africa was real. Humans create these reasons for policing each other, but that doesn't make nations any more or less real than gang territories are to gang members.
I, personally, see borders as a useful tool in policing global organized crime and flows of trafficked contraband, such as drugs and prostitutes. If cross-border social-economic exploitation could be ended, I would be for freedom of migration by responsible people to various regions for cultural exploration, provided people used their liberty responsibly, honored environmental/sustainability concerns, etc.
That is not likely any time soon for most people, however, so until a global culture of responsible liberty is achieved, it makes sense to maintain borders and keep policing them for contraband and using tariffs/etc. to stimulate more local self-sufficiency and reducing economic/environmental/resource waste.
Quote:And if nations DO exist and matter, it follows that we should be able to talk about them... If such talk is offensive to your tenders ears, you're welcome to leave the conversation.
Please stop with whole "do nations exist or not" issue. When you say, "your nation" to someone, you are implying that nations are unified wholes acting in unison. That is not the reality. Nationality is an identity designation given to lots of disconnected things and people.
You can't lie to yourself that nations are more than that, unless the purpose is to obfuscate reality, in which case you can do it but it's a bad idea.
And, btw, nations don't have to be real to construct borders as tools for social control. We can create as many borders as we want and police them in whatever ways we can legitimate morally/ethically. We could put walls along every state line and build walls around cities again, gated communities, etc.
We should deal with questions of morality and ethics when creating and policing territories, but whether or not nations/territories are 'real' or not is a distraction from the real ethical/moral issues.