@rosborne979,
Quote:I really don't know. Philosophy is not my thing. I had to look up Ontological to see what it means and I'm still not sure I understand it.
It seems pretty straight forward to me. Ontological Naturalism takes the a priori position of - 'Supernatural forces
Do Not Exist'. Up until this last post (below), that sounded like your position. But take note of the first line I emphasized. That is distinctly different than ON. Science takes
no position on the existence of the supernatural. Why should it?
Quote:I do understand however that Methodological Naturalism is necessary to the scientific methodology. This explains it pretty well...
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In a series of articles and books from 1996 onward, Robert T. Pennock wrote using the term "methodological naturalism" to clarify that the scientific method confines itself to natural explanations without assuming the existence or non-existence of the supernatural, and is not based on dogmatic metaphysical naturalism (as claimed by creationists and proponents of intelligent design, in particular by Phillip E. Johnson). Pennock's testimony as an expert witness at the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial was cited by the Judge in his Memorandum Opinion concluding that "Methodological naturalism is a 'ground rule' of science today".
Expert testimony reveals that since the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, science has been limited to the search for natural causes to explain natural phenomena.... While supernatural explanations may be important and have merit, they are not part of science." Methodological naturalism is thus "a paradigm of science." It is a "ground rule" that "requires scientists to seek explanations in the world around us based upon what we can observe, test, replicate, and verify.
Note that nowhere in that last emphasized line that there is no mention of the supernatural. Science is supposed to follow the evidence
wherever it leads.
Quote:Does that help clarify my understanding of the matter?
It clarifies what you say you believe MN is. But your position on the OP is not consistent with that.
Biology clearly tells us that DNA is the coded instructions for the construction and operation of living organisms. It is executed in separate organelles (Ribosomes). These are undisputed facts of biology. The similarities to computer software driven system is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of both fields.
You refute this by claiming that DNA is self contained and performed all its functions as a self contained entity. This error is so glaringly false that it is pointless to try and draw the parallels between DNA and software as long as such a contradictory belief is held. I’m so certain of this that if you can present verifiable evidence that I am wrong about this I will concede the OP argument to you.
Fair enough?