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JustWonders wrote:

McG - buncha cynics that want to live in the last century....singin' "Feelin' Groovy" LOL!

<Let 'em have their fun - the grown-ups are in charge now>

ohhh, greaaat... so now instead of good bud, mateus and pink floyd, we're gonna be real and get down with valium, martinis and wayne newton.

wow... very, very heavy sister... Drunk

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JustWonders wrote:

Wasn't Laugh-in a show from the last century?

yep. and both lash and i were fans. Laughing

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Well who can resist Wayne's "Danke Shoen" after all?

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Foxfyre wrote:

Well who can resist Wayne's "Danke Shoen" after all?

oohhhh, donkey sshhhhhsssshhhhaane, oh,woe donkey sshhhhhsssshhhhaane

Laughing

i'm dyin' here !!!

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DTOM - yer gonna need lots of what's in that bottle in '06 Smile

By '08, y'all will all be in detox LOL.

<Singing "Feeling Groovy>

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JustWonders wrote:

DTOM - yer gonna need lots of what's in that bottle in '06

By '08, y'all will all be in detox LOL.

<Singing "Feeling Groovy>

ya gotta be kiddin', jw. the 2000 election is what got me started. keeps up like this, by 2008 i'll be stealin' hub caps to support my filthy habit !

and just what is wrong with feelin' groovy???

beats "feeeeel-lin' up-tight" Laughing

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The pavrovian conservative up-tighters are feeling groovy. (as if they knew what that was.) It's a little hard to groove while barking like a little puppy.

I'm feeling groovy too.

P.S. The Church Lady was not from Laugh-In, as I said. Rather she was from Saturday Night Live. Both real groovy shows laying the ground work for the moral decline of our great Nation.

Put a blouse on those half naked ladies in the Justice Department building, and the State department building and on all those half naked ladies with perky breasts in the murals in the rotunda of the Nation's Capital building. Land sakes!

And who is it that is behind this obscene nudity? Could it be SATAN?

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

JustWonders wrote:
Wasn't Laugh-in a show from the last century?

yep. and both lash and i were fans.

This really should be against TOS. Outed. Commie!

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Lash wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
Wasn't Laugh-in a show from the last century?

yep. and both lash and i were fans.

This really should be against TOS. Outed. Commie!

n'yuk, n'yuk, n'yuk :wink:

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Lola writes

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Put a blouse on those half naked ladies in the Justice Department building, and the State department building and on all those half naked ladies with perky breasts in the murals in the rotunda of the Nation's Capital building. Land sakes!

I had to chuckle at this one. I teach a very intense class on "The History of Development of Christian Thought" and generally include maps and other pertinant illustrations in my lesson plans that are handed out to the class. We are currently doing the Renaissance period and the Reformation and I was looking for examples of Renaissance art to illustrate the resurgence of humanism and appreciation for the beauty of the human form. But man oh man those paintings and sculptures from that period were mostly NAKED with a capital "N"--I mean with all the glory hanging out everywhere. And I have several quite well educated but quite old-fashioned elderly Christian folk in the class. I finally said what the heck and printed some of the pictures. They got rave reviews. Smile

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Foxfyre wrote:

We are currently doing the Renaissance period and the Reformation and I was looking for examples of Renaissance art to illustrate the resurgence of humanism and appreciation for the beauty of the human form. But man oh man those paintings and sculptures from that period were mostly NAKED with a capital "N"--I mean with all the glory hanging out everywhere.

Well, 'naked' is exactly one THE focusses in art of the Renaissance. (The idea behind it: it is sinfulness that makes us naked and ashamed. Clothes represent sinful humans.)

However, when you look at the fashion of those periods, the elderly certainly will be pleased again.

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They were pleased anyway, Walter. Smile

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Foxfyre wrote:

Lola writes

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Put a blouse on those half naked ladies in the Justice Department building, and the State department building and on all those half naked ladies with perky breasts in the murals in the rotunda of the Nation's Capital building. Land sakes!

I had to chuckle at this one. I teach a very intense class on "The History of Development of Christian Thought" and generally include maps and other pertinent illustrations in my lesson plans that are handed out to the class. We are currently doing the Renaissance period and the Reformation and I was looking for examples of Renaissance art to illustrate the resurgence of humanism and appreciation for the beauty of the human form. But man oh man those paintings and sculptures from that period were mostly NAKED with a capital "N"--I mean with all the glory hanging out everywhere. And I have several quite well educated but quite old-fashioned elderly Christian folk in the class. I finally said what the heck and printed some of the pictures. They got rave reviews.

Well, Ashcroft didn't like it.......but I'll admit, his views are far out. Laughing

I agree Foxfire, it's only the hard core evangelicals who are that hung up. However, you're teaching your class in a liberal state. Try doing the same in a fundamentalist, evangelical church in Texas and see if you get the same response.

Half naked is what I'm going to be as soon as the weather gets warm. I cannot wait! I've been working out at the gym, drinking less wine and the tan is on it's way! I'll be sitting on my balcony, soaking up those rays and when Summer arrives, it's to the beach.

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I doubt a fundamentalist church would be interested in my class--we have those here too. However there are a lot more churches of the denomination hosting my class in Texas than there are in New Mexico. New Mexico is a liberal state? In Santa Fe and Taos that is true. The Democrats have been in charge by a large majority here since 1912 (which I believe is one reason we're at or near the bottom of every positive indicator), but this week they voted to make it official state law that marriage is between a man and a woman and we are a red state. And Sean Hannity likes our Democrat governor who threatens to veto the budget and call a special session of the Legislature if the Democrats don't vote through his tax cuts. Smile

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Foxy:-

Be careful with that Renaissance feechewer.It's just an episode in Florence.Load of flapdoodle actually.Quite well done though.The Renaissance was a desperate attempt to turn the clock back 2000 years by a corrupt and violent nobility of rival families.It was an evasion really of the new western art forms which were going on in N.Europe.
It is really quite complex.I might have a go at explaining it for you if you asked but you should be able to see for yourself if you set some classical frescoes and some Renaissance paintings side by side with Rembrandt,say.The latter strives for infinite space and dissolving forms and deceptions with shadow and perspective as in Gothic archtecture and the contemporaneous treatment of numbers which leads into the calculus and everything modern.The art of the Reformation.The Renaissance art,if one may call it that,leads back to the drunken orgies of the Dionysian cults and is thus truly conservative.Pagan even.The ladies depicted are caught in a time/space moment in between heavy breathing sessions in warm country side settings.This is getting too long.

It does though lead to the thought that religious messages on non-classical architecture are simply artistic bad taste and it would make intellectual sense if one campaigned to remove the messages one ought also to campaign to remove the building as well if it is in the classical style.Religious messages on Faustian architecture are ridiculous.
I saw the first part of Catch 22 last night and in that Col Corn said to the padre (A Perkins)-We have to keep supernatural episodes down to a minimum now there's a war to be won.I had a good laugh wondering what you thought of that.

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I'm not sure I understand your post Spendius. Are you saying that Rembrandt was using a paint-by-numbers method for his paintings? Smile

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Foxy:-

Not exactly no.I said it's very complex and it is.There's more to art than entertainment.Each artistic style has its day and is then done for.The Renaissance artists who were commissioned by wealthy,not to say evil,patrons to explore their own atavistic fantasies had a foot in two camps and as a result did a fancy version of the splits.There is a dynamic in Rembrandt which is not present in most Renaissance art.Of course Michelangelo,Raphael and Leonardo did have a modern feel which in spite of their efforts to please their punters exerted itself.Especially in Leonardo.
There are shadows and infinity in numbers once you start cutting them up.There is even indefiniteness as with the square root of two.The classical age was mightily frightened of such things.
Architecturally,New York is a number art but the number art of quantum mechanics is there in a Rembrandt as it is in a Gothic cathedral spire and in the ineffable yearning of the organ music.We are like that.
There was another movement similar to the Renaissance.The pre-raphaelites and they are seen as entirely decadent.
It is a very interesting subject.It is a question of spiritual tone.The Renaissance portraits were an attempt to overcome the Gothic portrait style by restoring the classical.It failed and left nothing behind except its artefacts which appeal to the simple rustic temperment for obvious reasons.
That last post,and this one,are wasted on speed readers.My intention is to provide signposts for you to follow in the library.If you don't it is your own problem.I would need a book to do the subject the very minimum of justice and I'm no expert.

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Well I don't get into it with all that depth--the only course I ever flunked was Art Appreciation (and that was because I wrote poetry insulting the professor who I hated instead of taking notes in class)--but I do have an eye for art I think and I think the Renaissance artists were incredible. The strong influence of religious overtones was of course due to the strange alliance between Church and Monarchy that existed at the time. But if you compare the ancient Greek art with the Renaissance artists, there are strong correlations as the Renaissance was born after all from a new awareness and appreciation for the classics unflitered by centuries of 'the darl ages'.

And to drag this back on topic for this thread, I think the neo-libs now would benefit from a reintroduction to classical liberalism unfiltered by generations of socialistic emphasis, social engineering, and political correctness.

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Foxy:-

It is as I thought.You are a member of the awkward squad.Why did you hate your professor.Professors are to be looked up to and listened to with rapt attention I should have thought.There doesn't seem much point in having them otherwise.

It is good though that you think you have an eye for art and that you also think that the Renaissance artists were incredible.I wish I could feel that that sentence was incredible but alas there it is right in my eyeballs.

There was no monarchy,There were powerful families cutting each others throats.The Borgias,the
Storzas,theMalatestas and the Medicis and some less ruthless ones.They were more like cats and dogs than monarchs.They set Italy back on its heels goodstyle.

The final paragraph of your post is very careful not to mention the Dionysius cults which is only to be expected I suppose.They were at odds with all the three features of our lives which you mention.What they were not at odds with is under the carpet to save the blushes of southern matrons.

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Well in all due respect, you did not know my professor Spendius. If you never had a bad one, good for you. I did. At the time of the Renaissance, feudalism was giving way to the monarchy. Charles VIII was on the throne in France; Ferdinand & Isabella in Spain, etc. and I think a discussion of the Dionysius cults is entirely inappropriate for this thread. So let's be courteous and not highjack the thread further.

I do think the neo-libs would benefit from a thorough review of classical liberalism.

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