Relativity theory was mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago

Khaled,

1) Most of us are very tired of Christians trying to use science to prove their religion. It is an awfully big stretch. Don't expect many people to take this very seriously.

Some people are born into a religion, others choose a religion because it meets their needs or speaks to them on a deep level.

Some American Christians claim to have been brought to Christianity because of science, but these people always seem to display an incredibly poor understanding of science.

I am highly doubtful that anyone will enter a religion because of science.

2) I haven't seen anything in your scriptures that remotely approaches Einsteins theory of relativity (I have a Physics degree).

Saying that God experiences time with a different perspective is not a mention of relativity (there is a similar mention in the Christian Bible).

If it said that God was in a spaceship moving at a velocity of near the speed of light relative to the Earth, you may have something,. But, that just doesn't make any sense.

3) You obviously are a good proponent of your religion. I am interested in the perspectives on different topics. (I am not very well informed about Islam).

Does Islam say anything about the age of the Earth or about evolution? This is a big issue with many Christians.

Do Muslim's believe that human beings evolved from a common anscester with apes? Do Muslim's believe that the Universe is around 16 billion years old, that the Earth formed about 5 billion years ago?

I am very curious about this.

The Quran is Islam, genius. Who mentioned Christians in this discussion? Why'd you decide to bring it up?



Try me. I guarantee you I have a least an equal, if not better understanding of science than you do (Science Major in Graduate School ), and I'm a Christian. You're 0 for 2 so far.



You mean it's a big issue with society. I, as a Christian, am quite content with my stance on the age of the Earth (not being "millions" or "billions" of years old), and am definitely sure about my stance on the religion known as evolution.

So what do you have to say in response to what I've said? I am very curious about this.

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2-We do not know about the exact age of the earth, but the Quran talked about big bang in this verse:



[30] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

and this is the link:

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=21&nAya=30&t=eng

3-No we do not believe that human beings evolved from a common anscester with apes according to because we believe what the God said in this verse:


[4] I have indeed created man in the best of moulds,

Gosh Rex,

I wasn't trying to be combative.

My interest is how religion affects one's view on science.

I come from a Christian background and live in a culture where Christianity is prevalent. Thus, what I have to say about this will come from a Christian perspective. That's the only reason that I brought up Christianity. As I pointed out I don't know very much about Islam at all.

I am very interested in how people of different religions approach science. I have a pretty good understanding of how Christians approach science having spent years in an Evangelical church.

I have no interest in arguing. Just wanted to hear what khaled had to say. That's all.

I forget to say that :

The main point in this theory is that the time measuer is not fixed and that what had been showed in the verses.

Khaled,

You are wrong about the theory of relativity.

The key to relativity is the point of view the observer. I don't exactly know what you mean by "time measure being fixed", but that isn't the main point of relativity. Under relativity it is possible to exactly measure the amount of time that passes for an observer (including God if He follows the laws of science).

Relativity does allow time to pass more quickly for one observer than for another-- but this isn't magic. It happens in very predictable circumstances.. for example if an observer is moving very fast relative to what she is observing, or if they are near a very strong source of gravity.

If this scripture was saying that God was moving very fast relative to me, you may be correct... but the idea that God is moving (in a literal sense) would mean that He would have a specific location. I don't like this idea.

God may be near a strong gravity source, but this would mean that I would appear to be moving much faster than God.

But the biggest problem is that the "key point" of relativity is that the observations of each observer are equally valid. Applying this to God and me, it would mean that my point of view is equal to God's... even while they differ.

I doubt very much that this is what the Quran is trying to say.

I mean no disrespect. It is just that many religions try to explain their theology in terms of modern science. You and Rex, although you are from different religions, are quite similar in this.

In my experience, this doesn't yield to anything productive.

Religion and Science have very different purposes. It is best to let each do their job separately.

Re: Relativity theory was mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago


Hmmm, sounds just a *tiny* bit vague to me.

Just because you can find the words "space" and "years" in a single sentence doesn't mean the authors knew about special relativity. You've gotta do better than that.

c (the speed of light), and at this time that is not feasible.

Besides, does it really matter if the Quran proves scientific facts or not (I know there are many occasions in the Quran where scientific facts do exist)?

Mankind has to be properly guided in every aspect of life. To me this guidance is religion (Islam). Science should also be properly guided through religion.

Without proper guidance scientists are always gonna come up short. We see this today in 'modern' science and to me one of the biggest lie ever in the history of mankind that is the theory of evolution. In your first post in this topic you speak as if evolution has been scientifically proven. I have not seen the proof yet. All i see are lies, lies and more lies. There are just too many things that this theory does not answer. Its just that everyone was brought up to believe this theory. Schools, all sorts of media, etc just makes it acceptable to everyone.

Most of us here should know where we come from: -

We come from Adam who was created from God. Then God created Eve from Adams ribs. We all should know this story by now. Whether you believe it to be a myth or fairytale, i believe it to be a fact because its in the Quran.

Anyways the great scientist Albert Einstein said - science without religion is lame

Woulda been fine but you went on to mention the Adam and Eve explanation of the world which has more illogic and holes than swiss cheese.

YOu mean Eistein plagerized? LOL

bm

Here is a link to a few scientific FACTS (not theories) mentioned in the holy Qur'an:

Scientific facts in the Qur'an

How could an illiterate man (peace and blessings be upon him), living in desert of Arabia, have mentioned such amazing facts 1400 years ago? This proves that Qur'an is a divine revelation, it is the word of almighty GOD.