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Far-right activists banned from entering Britain

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 07:06 am
@BillRM,
If you can't see the difference between banning individuals and a whole group you're no different from the likes of Coldjoint. The abuse of power by individuals is irrelevant, that happens everywhere.

Every country has the right to ban individuals, it's called national sovereignty.

Allowing the NRA to shoot up schools and indiscriminately butcher children when the majority wants sane gun laws is an affront to democracy and freedom.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 07:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

If you can't see the difference between banning individuals and a whole group you're no different from the likes of Coldjoint. The abuse of power by individuals is irrelevant, that happens everywhere.

Every country has the right to ban individuals, it's called national sovereignty.

Allowing the NRA to shoot up schools and indiscriminately butcher children when the majority wants sane gun laws is an affront to democracy and freedom.


So you trust members of your government not to misused such power under the title of national sovereignty in a wholesale manner??

The US have a long long history of misdeeds done in the name of national sovereignty and security.

Sorry but I have zero trust when it come to our current demagogue using such power and from my reading of current events your government is almost as untrustworthy as mine is if not even more so as your government lack the degree of formal checks and balances of the US that so far seem to be limiting the harm currently being done to the US.

Oh I also love your comment about the will of our majority on gun laws not being follow when there seem almost no question Brexit is being force down the throats of the current majority of the English people.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 08:04 am
@BillRM,
No, we don't trust the government which is why it's accountable to parliament. There was no public outcry when these fascists were banned because they're not wanted over here.

Look at the flip side of your argument, you're saying countries should not be able to control their own borders, and that if say a British serial killer released from prison said he wanted to go to America to continue his work you'd have to let him in.

It's nonsense.

Abuses of power by individuals is a separate matter entirely and there are procedures for that.

We don't want these people in our country. It's our country, not yours and you can't tell us what to do.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 08:07 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

there seem almost no question Brexit is being force down the throats of the current majority of the English people.


Agreed, but that's got absolutely nothing to do with banning individuals. Brexit is by no means done and dusted.

Why is it that I can discuss matters like this with other Americans rationally, but you have to turn every disagreement into a US v UK showdown? If your arguments had any merit you wouldn't have to constantly dress yourself up in the American flag.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

No, we don't trust the government which is why it's accountable to parliament. There was no public outcry when these fascists were banned because they're not wanted over here.

Look at the flip side of your argument, you're saying countries should not be able to control their own borders, and that if say a British serial killer released from prison said he wanted to go to America to continue his work you'd have to let him in.

It's nonsense.

Abuses of power by individuals is a separate matter entirely and there are procedures for that.

We don't want these people in our country. It's our country, not yours and you can't tell us what to do.



Our borders was protected when we refused to take in a ship load of Jews fleeing Europe and they was mostly killed when they was force to return.

Our Borders of course are where we say they are such as when they was moved to take in half of then Mexico or when our borders grow to take in the Hawaii islands from a peaceful people with a working government in place at the time.

Now your history is hardly better when it come to borders as related for example to your not all that long ago Empire or to the current problem with the Irish borders where there is concerns about trouble once more breaking out due to Brexit.

It not that simple stating it your country.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 09:29 am
@izzythepush,
So you can do what your desire to do when it come to your 'country'?


Quote:


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/irish-border-anger-westminster-fears-fresh-violence-190323205220648.html

Boyle, 67, said that during the EU referendum campaign, "the idea of a border coming back had not been discussed, had not been thought about. It was only after the referendum that people began to highlight the possibility of a hard border."

He is a member of Border Communities Against Brexit, a group comprising a mostly older, middle-class demographic from traditionally Protestant and Catholic communities.

The organisation includes small traders or farmers who operate across the two jurisdictions, whose businesses risk going under if a new tariff regime is introduced under World Trade Organization rules.

Fifty-six percent of Northern Ireland's citizens voted to stay in the bloc in the June 2016 vote, with most in the southwest - which includes the border areas - choosing to remain.


A well-known mural in the Fountain [Ylenia Gostoli/Al Jazeera]
In Forkhill, several people hail from villages a few miles down the road, in the Republic of Ireland.

The bartender at the only local pub, for instance, crosses that invisible line every day.

Most people are weary of talking about Brexit and have no kind words for the politicians deciding their fate in Westminster.

There are concerns that the return of a hard border in the form of checks and physical infrastructure in areas like these could result in a return to violence.

Both the British government and the EU have said keeping the Irish border frictionless would remain a negotiating priority.

But discussions in the last few weeks have jammed over the "backstop", the part of the withdrawal agreement that would keep Northern Ireland aligned to the EU's customs and regulatory arrangements until a trade agreement is reached.


Citizens of Northern Ireland can choose to hold Irish, British or both passports according to the Good Friday Agreement [Ylenia Gostoli/Al Jazeera]
The backstop is seen by hardline Conservative MPs as a way of tying the UK to the EU's rules indefinitely. In Northern Ireland, the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) has opposed it with the argument that treating Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK is un
acceptable.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 10:10 am
@BillRM,
None of that has any relevance at all. We're not talking about refugees fleeing persecution, we're talking about fascists who are in no danger of persecution whatsoever in their home countries.

You don't seem to understand what's going on so you bring up a load of irrelevant bollocks.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 10:37 am
@izzythepush,
Generally speaking, I believe that the current situation in the United Kingdom is not understood by most people who do not live there. And even many of their own citizens have difficulties with it.

However, the topic of this thread is really something different - and admittedly, this is not understandable, especially for US citizens, without any knowledge of the laws and the legal background.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 10:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't think it's understood by those of us who live here either.

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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 10:49 am
It's austerity and the growing mega gap between the rich and the poor that's the main cause of Trump, Brexit and the rise of populism.



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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:34 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Allowing the NRA to shoot up schools and indiscriminately butcher children when the majority wants sane gun laws is an affront to democracy and freedom.


Lol the main reason we have the second amendment in our constitution that allows nuts to play with firearms that can kill large groups of people is the actions of your government all the way back to the revolution.

English troops and marines was send all over the colonies to gather up the communities supply of gun powder and rifles.

Given that those arms and powder was often needed to protect again Indian and French raids the people of Williamsburg for example was not happy on waking up to find that their arms had been seize in the middle of the night and taken to a King warship by ship marines.

An of course the attempt to seize arms at Concord resulted in a running battle all the way back to Phil. an the start of the arm part of the revolution.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:38 am
@BillRM,
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in our constitution that allows nuts to play with firearms that can kill large groups of people

It also allows people to defend themselves from criminals. And mass shooters. Your argument sucks.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:41 am
@BillRM,
Don't try to shift the blame. It's the 21st Century not the 18th. You have an organisation lobbying government whose sole purpose is to sell as many guns as possible and to hell with the consequences.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:44 am
@izzythepush,
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lobbying government whose sole purpose is to sell as many guns as possible and to hell with the consequences.

And you have a government whose sole purpose is to turn the UK into an Islamic emirate. I'd rather have guns.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:55 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
in our constitution that allows nuts to play with firearms that can kill large groups of people

It also allows people to defend themselves from criminals. And mass shooters. Your argument sucks.


Yes indeed it is amazing how many time mass shooters had been stop by a citizen carrying firearms less see let list all of those times.............??????

coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 12:01 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Yes indeed it is amazing how many time mass shooters had been stop by a citizen carrying firearms less see let list all of those times.............??????

It could be because they tend to shoot up "Gun Free" zones, nitwit.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 12:03 pm
@izzythepush,
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the likes of Coldjoint.

Here I am. What are you scared of, besides almost everything, including your shadow?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
Please don't quote Coldjoint. I'm not interested in what that party has to say. Not remotely so.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 12:10 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'm not interested in what that party has to say.

Izzy is a coward, and he just proved it again. There are other forums, look around.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 12:15 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Don't try to shift the blame. It's the 21st Century not the 18th. You have an organisation lobbying government whose sole purpose is to sell as many guns as possible and to hell with the consequences.




Once more it is in our constitution mainly due to the actions of your government in the past an removing it from the constitution is not very doable.

Next your nation is one of the main beneficence of our population being gun nuts an members of the NRA marksman training programs with the result we could flood Europe with millions of soldiers in an amazing short time frame as unlike other nations a large percent of our people could shoot to marksman standards before military training.
 

 
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