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THE MEANING OF OZ - All you need to know!

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 06:48 am
@hightor,
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vaccine-hesitant groups are peddling misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccination deaths and making up conspiracy theories aimed at eroding trust in the vaccines

Now, rather than just bringing the claims of others to the table, why don't you offer up those alleged conspiracy theories they're talking about, and then we'll see which ones are really misinformation.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 07:08 am
@Glennn,
You have been banned from the conspiracy websites?
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 08:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Sitting in for hightor?

Good!

Bring out some of those alleged conspiracies he alludes to but won't talk about.

Be the one!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 09:03 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Sitting in for hightor?
I didn't notice, only hightor could ask you here.

No, I'm not sitting in for hightor, not only because the (roughly) 4,000 miles distance but because I'm Walter Hinteler.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 04:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You have been banned from the conspiracy websites?

You must be hearing voices.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 05:02 pm
@Builder,
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This is the information they attempted to keep secret for thirty years?

It was actually 75 years. I think maybe they wanted enough time to ensure that neither them nor their children would be alive to experience any backlash from what they've done. But that plan kinda went south on them, as their safety studies are public record now.
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 10:15 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
But that plan kinda went south on them, as their safety studies are public record now.


According to several sources, they haven't released all of their "findings" because the trial period doesn't end until late in 2023.

And whether their attempt was ten or a hundred years, it's clearly nothing to do with science, when the facts are hidden from the public.

First time in the history of modern medicine, that the public is being used to test new products, with zero chance of any recourse, should these products harm the test subjects.

I see the federal govt has opened an avenue of recourse for those injured permanently from the injections, but like most of their "programs" for compensation or aid, (fire, flood, and now pharma) the hoops that you have to jump through, are bordering on the insane.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 10:27 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
First time in the history of modern medicine, that the public is being used to test new products, with zero chance of any recourse, should these products harm the test subjects.

Yeah, and this is also the first time in history that the lack of effectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those who don't take it. Can you imagine being a shill and having to defend that ****?
Builder
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2022 11:24 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
Can you imagine being a shill and having to defend that ****?


And they're not even being paid to do that.

Part of cognitive dissonance, is defending your decision (most were coerced) to the death.

Unfortunately, the death is where this appears to be heading.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 07:14 am
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Furthermore, vaccine-hesitant groups are peddling misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccination deaths and making up conspiracy theories aimed at eroding trust in the vaccines. This misinformation threatens people’s confidence in taking the vaccine. They capitalize on the deaths of people especially those who died of old age or underlying health conditions after receiving the shot to undermine vaccination roll-out and sometimes they manufacture stories that never happened.

This misinformation although false is now taking shape. Anti-vaccination activists take a quote or a bit of them, isolating part and removing all other context making them meaningful in society. When fake stories of deaths are tied to the vaccine, there is an emotional grab. The general public should not be alarmed unnecessarily. They must look deep to scientific evidence instead of breeding uncertainties. There is always a probability that fatal outcomes will happen to a small percentage of people after vaccination even if the vaccines are perfectly safe. Uncertainty leads to doubts and worries, making people prone to misinformation .
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 08:12 am
@Glennn,
Quote:
vaccine-hesitant groups are peddling misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccination deaths and making up conspiracy theories aimed at eroding trust in the vaccines

Now, rather than just bring the claims of others to the table, why don't you offer up those alleged conspiracy theories you're talking about concerning the experimental injection, and then we'll see which ones are really misinformation. So what is you've heard someone say about the experimental injections that just ain't so?

Isn't it funny that experimental injection recipients have become convinced that they are in danger because of the people who knew better than to take it?
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 11:48 am
Doctors Debunk 9 Popular COVID-19 Vaccine Myths and Conspiracy Theories

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• Myths, conspiracy theories, and misconceptions about COVID-19 vaccines continue to circulate online.
• From the vaccines not working to them making you magnetic, these myths have no evidence to back them.
• Medical experts urge people to check the credibility of any source claiming to share medical information.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Misinformation and falsehoods about the COVID-19 vaccines have made their way into social media and beyond.

“These are the sorts of notions that are held by many people who are reluctant and hesitant about getting the COVID-19 vaccine… [leaving many people] uncertain of the information they encounter, particularly on social media and even from conversations with their neighbor,” Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, told Healthline.

Healthline turned to medical experts to set the record straight on some of the most common myths currently circulating.

Myth: Vaccines don’t work

Dr. Robert Amler, dean of New York Medical College School of Health Sciences and Practice and a former CDC chief medical officer, says overwhelming evidence shows that vaccines have caused reductions in disease in the United States and worldwide.

“Through vaccination, smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Through vaccination, polio has been eliminated from the Western Hemisphere, Europe, and Oceania, with only a few pockets left in a few countries. And through mass vaccination, COVID-19 rates have declined dramatically in the second quarter of 2021,” Amler told Healthline.

More than 170 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine have been administered.

“We know what the safety profile is, and we know as we use more vaccines, cases are diminishing, hospitalizations are going down, and so are deaths, so that’s evidence that they really do work,” Schaffner said.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine makes you magnetic

In early June, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, based in Cleveland, claimed that COVID-19 vaccines could turn people into magnets due to 5G telecommunication towers. While addressing Ohio lawmakers, she used her claim to justify the need for a bill to stop businesses and government agencies from requiring vaccinations.

“It’s difficult to say anything about this except it’s clearly untrue. If this is the case, it’s strange that we haven’t seen all of our neighbors who are vaccinated walking around with metal on them. I’ve been vaccinated, and I can assure you I’m not magnetic,” said Schaffner.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccines are causing COVID-19 variants

In fact, the COVID-19 virus itself, not the vaccines, produces the variants.

Schaffner explains that the virus in a human being multiplies and creates new viruses that generate genetic variation. When this happens, most variations are harmless with no effect, he says.

“But on rare occasion, you can get one mutation or a series of them coincidentally occurring that will create a variant… that will continue to reproduce,” he said.

The variants can become more transmissible, such as the most recent COVID variant, delta, which originated in India.

“Data suggests it might produce more serious illness and is starting to spread in England and in the United States,” said Schaffner.

He stresses that the variants come from the virus, not the vaccine.

“In fact, our vaccines currently protect against the variants pretty effectively, so far. The variants will spread among people who are not vaccinated,” Schaffner said.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine makes you infertile

For decades, risk of infertility has been used as a way to frighten people away from legitimate treatments, says Amler.

This myth is false when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines because the vaccines do not go near DNA in your cells, explains Schaffner.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), mRNA vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein — or even just a piece of a protein — that triggers an immune response inside our bodies.

“It’s like bringing a blueprint to the body to create a protection, and the vaccine itself is so labile that it falls apart immediately. We excrete it right away as soon as the message has been delivered to our cells, so it does not linger in your body,” said Schaffner.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) convened a national expert group on all aspects of reproduction and looked at the COVID-19 vaccine.

ACOG concluded that the vaccines should be offered to and is safe for people who are thinking about becoming pregnant, wanting to become pregnant, are pregnant, or who are breastfeeding.

Myth: The government put a microchip in COVID-19 vaccines to track you

Conspiracy theories about the government using vaccines to track people and rich people like Bill Gates being behind the notion are false.

“Physically, chips are not small enough that they could be inoculated with a needle. The COVID-19 vaccines are old-fashioned simple public health. Bad disease; good vaccine. Let’s get the vaccine in order to prevent the bad disease. It’s nothing more complicated than that,” said Schaffner.

For a list of ingredients in the COVID vaccines, visit the CDC website.

Myth: The J&J vaccine was created from fetal tissue

This misconception is derived from a grain of truth from past vaccines that has been amplified inappropriately.

“Many years ago, a strain of cells that was derived from a miscarriage was used initially in general vaccine research for coronaviruses,” said Schaffner.

However, the current vaccines do not consist of any fetal tissue.

Schaffner adds that Muslim theologians and religious leaders, including the pope and Jewish rabbis, have said this should not be a concern in deciding whether to get the vaccine.

“I suggest people talk with their respected religious and faith leaders who have addressed this issue,” he said.

Myth: Vaccines cause autism

In 1998, British doctor Andrew Wakefield conducted research that claimed a connection between autism and the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. While the study was published in the reputable journalLancet, it was later retracted and found to be unethical and not factual. Wakefield also lost his license in the United Kingdom.

“This is demonstrably incorrect, as evidenced by a considerable array of peer-reviewed and published investigations. The perpetrators of this particular myth have been widely discredited,” said Amler.

Still, Wakefield’s misinformation has continued to spread for decades.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccines rewrite your DNA

While mRNA does transmit information to the body in the cells, Schaffner explains that it does not go near the cell’s nucleus, which is where DNA is located.

“It stays away from that. It doesn’t interact with the DNA at all. It just provides a message to the protein developing apparatus in our cell. So, it transmits its message and then disintegrates,” said Schaffner.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine will cause long-term complications

Schaffner says of the long list of vaccines that have been used for decades, none have proven to create long-term effects.

“This comes as a big surprise to most people, but the adverse effects associated with most vaccines become evident within 2 to 3 months of the administration of the vaccine. We’re beyond that now with the COVID vaccines, and have given millions of doses of it, so we know what the side effects profile is,” he said.

Amler adds that vaccines are continuously monitored post-market.

“A U.S. government system (VAERS), as well as the manufacturers, identify and investigate any long-term events and follow up with appropriate recommendations whenever an unexpected issue presents after an extended time period, that was not found initially,” said Amler.

The VAERS surveillance system is constantly working and was made more elaborate in anticipation of the COVID vaccines, adds Schaffner. He notes that the system flagged the blood-clotting disorder associated with the J&J vaccine and heart inflammation linked to the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines.

“The system picked up these really rare events. We investigate them, and we speak transparently about them to people, so they know what the level of risk is, and the medical community can recognize and treat them,” said Schaffner.

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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 01:30 pm
@hightor,
Myth: The experimental injection gives you immunity.

That's right. Despite tony's promises on several occasions that you will receive immunity of receiving immunity from the experimental injection (he said that if you get the "vaccine," you can't get covid), it does no such thing. tony spread a myth. Feel betrayed by a hero?

Myth: Setting the cycle-threshold of the PRC-test at 40 is appropriate.

That's right. Despite the fact that labs were using a cycle-threshold of 40, anything over 35 will give you meaningless results; tony himself has said so. In fact, there are numerous quotes from medical authorities (including even the CDC and FDA) that confirm the inappropriateness of the 40 cycle-threshold, if not the test itself. And tony, who knew this, didn't speak up in all that time. Feel betrayed by a hero?

Myth: The CDC has an isolated virus and did send copies of it out to labs.

That's right. Despite CDC's claims of having done so, a FOIA request did determine that their claim was a fabrication, as they were forced to admit that they really didn't have it. Feel betrayed by another hero yet?

Myth: The CDC monitors VAERS data to watch for danger signals. In their own words: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) use the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) as a front-line system to monitor the safety of vaccines licensed for use in the United States."

That's right. In response to FOIA request, the CDC admitted it never analyzed VAERS data for safety signals for COVID-19 vaccines. They said: “no PRRs (proportional reporting ratios) were conducted by CDC," claiming that data mining was “outside of the agency’s purview."

Here's the thing: I've shown you in no uncertain terms that the test used to determine covid cases was set at a cycle threshold too high to produce meaningful results. You then feigned sudden ignorance of the difference between 35 and 40, claiming that a medical degree is necessary to understand the difference. Never mind that the quotes I've provided you with from the very medical authorities you regularly copy&paste from happen to be on record commenting on the limitations of the PCR-test, including, but not limited to, the cycle-threshold issue. You claimed I had taken all of those quotes out of context. You tried using that same lame angle when you tried to convince others that the word "meaningless" translates to "meaningful" when coming from tony's mouth. And now, like then, you're going to refuse to provide the proper context and then go on talking as if you've resolved that

Also, I've shown you in no uncertain terms that the CDC's claim that they were in possession of the isolated virus, as well as their claim that they've sent samples out to labs, turned out to be false after a FOIA request forced them to admit as much. I'm afraid your "context" argument won't work here, either. It seems you're quite lenient when it comes to known liars. Why is that?
Builder
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 02:57 pm
From our Chief Health Official, and yes, he's a doctor.

Quote:
“Mandates requiring vaccination will become increasingly difficult to justify given waning efficacy.”


Article here
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 06:51 pm
@Glennn,
Claims not sourced are meaningless.

Glennn wrote:

Myth: The experimental injection gives you immunity.

That's right. Despite tony's promises on several occasions that you will receive immunity of receiving immunity from the experimental injection (he said that if you get the "vaccine," you can't get covid), it does no such thing. tony spread a myth. Feel betrayed by a hero?

Myth: Setting the cycle-threshold of the PRC-test at 40 is appropriate.

That's right. Despite the fact that labs were using a cycle-threshold of 40, anything over 35 will give you meaningless results; tony himself has said so. In fact, there are numerous quotes from medical authorities (including even the CDC and FDA) that confirm the inappropriateness of the 40 cycle-threshold, if not the test itself. And tony, who knew this, didn't speak up in all that time. Feel betrayed by a hero?

Myth: The CDC has an isolated virus and did send copies of it out to labs.

That's right. Despite CDC's claims of having done so, a FOIA request did determine that their claim was a fabrication, as they were forced to admit that they really didn't have it. Feel betrayed by another hero yet?

Myth: The CDC monitors VAERS data to watch for danger signals. In their own words: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) use the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) as a front-line system to monitor the safety of vaccines licensed for use in the United States."

That's right. In response to FOIA request, the CDC admitted it never analyzed VAERS data for safety signals for COVID-19 vaccines. They said: “no PRRs (proportional reporting ratios) were conducted by CDC," claiming that data mining was “outside of the agency’s purview."

Here's the thing: I've shown you in no uncertain terms that the test used to determine covid cases was set at a cycle threshold too high to produce meaningful results. You then feigned sudden ignorance of the difference between 35 and 40, claiming that a medical degree is necessary to understand the difference. Never mind that the quotes I've provided you with from the very medical authorities you regularly copy&paste from happen to be on record commenting on the limitations of the PCR-test, including, but not limited to, the cycle-threshold issue. You claimed I had taken all of those quotes out of context. You tried using that same lame angle when you tried to convince others that the word "meaningless" translates to "meaningful" when coming from tony's mouth. And now, like then, you're going to refuse to provide the proper context and then go on talking as if you've resolved that

Also, I've shown you in no uncertain terms that the CDC's claim that they were in possession of the isolated virus, as well as their claim that they've sent samples out to labs, turned out to be false after a FOIA request forced them to admit as much. I'm afraid your "context" argument won't work here, either. It seems you're quite lenient when it comes to known liars. Why is that?
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 07:02 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

From our Chief Health Official, and yes, he's a doctor.

Quote:
“Mandates requiring vaccination will become increasingly difficult to justify given waning efficacy.”


Article here


Spewing your usual tripe by cherry picking individual points to support your own personal narrative.

The same doctor.

Quote:
While Gerard states he is “not in a position” to comment on whether businesses have the right to mandate vaccinations amongst their employees, he continues to push for vaccination and boosters.


But you've never let education, knowledge and research impinge on your cataclysmic stupidity.
Builder
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2022 11:44 pm
Interesting how the massive social media backlash against new PM AnAl's visit to the Ukraine, with a promise of a hundred million of our dollars in "aid", is largely unreported in the mudrock excuse for media.

People are still in tents in many flood-ravaged regions, and there's flooding in NSW again, but he's swanning around in another nation, playing gord.

Not a good look, considering the circumstances.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2022 08:18 am
@Wilso,
I've already sourced it all. The problem is that after I do provide sources, some moron will stand up and claim that when tony said that a cycle-threshold of anything over 35 will give nothing but meaningless results, he really meant that a cycle-threshold of anything over 35 is meaningful . That's an obvious moronic conclusion. But that's a moron's story, and he's sticking to it. Is that your story as well?

The CDC did claim to be in possession of the virus, and they did claim that they had samples they were sending out to labs, which I've already sourced. Their claim turned out to be a lie. But just as morons hear tony saying "meaningful" when what he's really saying is "meaningless," you're not likely to want to acknowledge the CDC's lie because you don't want to believe they betrayed you. But they did, just lie tony did when he didn't speak up when labs around the world were using a cycle-threshold of 40 when he absolutely knew it that that would kick out meaningless results.

I'm just curious to hear your excuse for believing liars.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2022 12:51 pm
Fact check: This CDC document does not say that that SARS- CoV-2 doesn’t exist

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Social media users have claimed that a document from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admits that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is the name for the novel coronavirus, does not exist. While the document is authentic, the scientific process described within it has been misrepresented.

The claim appears in a video that has been viewed more than 77,000 times on YouTube entitled THE MOST IMPORTANT Video on Earth Right Now .

In the video, the narrator references a document (here) from the CDC that provides information about the PCR test used to detect SARS CoV-2, which causes the potentially deadly disease, COVID-19.

On page 39, the document outlines how the “analytical sensitivity” of the PCR assays were determined.

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2)”, it reads.

According to the video, this paragraph is evidence that the virus does not exist and that the pandemic is a hoax.

“They’ve designed tests to detect something that hasn’t been isolated and isn’t available to test”, the narrator alleges.

“What the CDC organisation is admitting here is that it has no measurable amount of the ‘convid’ [sic] that every psychopathic authoritarian has used as justification to shut down the world’s economy.

“They are saying its unavailable. They are saying they don’t have it. They can’t prove its existence. They also use the word ‘isolates’, which means no isolated virus is available”.

Dr Thushan de Silva, from the University of Sheffield’s Department of Infection, Immunity and Cardiovascular Disease, told Reuters that this was not correct.

De Silva said that the document is describing what was used to determine the lowest amount of viral genetic material the RT-PCR assay could detect.

“They describe a very common process during assay set up, where the limit of detection of the RT-PCR assay was determined”, he said.

In this case, the CDC have used ‘transcribed’ RNA as the positive control - which means they used synthetically produced genetic material identical to that carried by the virus.

“To calculate the limit of detection of an RT-PCR assay, you need to have a known quantity of virus to extract genetic material (RNA) from, or alternatively a known quantity of RNA identical to that carried by the virus ”, de Silva said.

According to de Silva, one reason for using transcribed RNA would have been that at the time of set up, not many standardised and quantified viral stocks would have been available to extract viral RNA from.

De Silva maintains that using transcribed RNA rather than RNA extracted from quantified viral stocks is no reason to question the existence of SARS-CoV-2.

“There are now hundreds of stocks of cultured SARS-CoV-2 in laboratories around the world”, he said.
VERDICT

False. While the document is authentic, the scientific process described within it has been misrepresented.

reuters
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2022 05:10 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
In this case, the CDC have used ‘transcribed’ RNA as the positive control - which means they used synthetically produced genetic material identical to that carried by the virus.

And they didn't use a live virus because?

From the CDC:

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community.

One important way that CDC has supported global efforts to study and learn about SARS-CoV-2 in the laboratory was by growing the virus in cell culture and ensuring that it was widely available. Researchers in the scientific and medical community can use virus obtained from this work in their studies.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

Do you acknowledge that the CDC said that?

Also, while I've got you on the hook here, what about the context of that statement from tony? You said I took it out of context. When are you going explain the proper context so that tony won't look like someone who kept his mouth shut when he really should have opened it?

I'd really prefer talking to a person instead of a copy&paster.

Oh, and what about tony's town crier style bawling about getting immunity from the experimental injection? Why did he say that when the manufacturers themselves have stated that it was never designed to do that?
 

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