Does anyone here who voted for Trump now regret it?

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Those folks don't give a **** about policy, they only cared about pissing off liberals and getting revenge on minorities. His 'base' is motivated by greed and animus and he constantly provides them fuel to self-justify their own shitty behavior and beliefs.

Are you guys even reading what you are writing. I urge you, step away from the keyboard for a second and read this thread with a non-partisan point of view.

These attacks on Trump voters... how deplorable they are... is the reason that Trump won.

These are real people you are insulting. Human beings just like you. Americans just like you. And they vote. When you push the Democratic party to match your ideological viewpoint, while attacking everyone with a different viewpoint... it makes it easy for Trump to win.

Let's not forget that there were two sides to this election. Hillary lost (as much as Trump won) because she was seen by many Americans as a smug, elitist candidate with no respect for any different points of view.

There aren't very many people, or parties, who could lose to a candidate like Donald Trump. Somehow the Democratic party pulled it off anyway.

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@maxdancona,

Oh, stuff it with that stupid crap, it's bullshit and everyone knows it. It's the lamest argument I've ever heard.

He won by promising a bunch of people he'd do a bunch of stupid ****, and because Hillary ran a bad campaign and got more votes, but in the wrong places. Not because we were mean to Trump supporters and their precious ******* fee-fees

I directly engage in political conversation with Trump supporters online, daily. They don't give two shits about policies. They only care about pissing liberals off and that's literally it. It's revenge-based politics on behalf of a group who has been convinced by the right-wing media that their rich white asses are somehow an oppressed minority.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Not because we were mean to Trump supporters and their precious ******* fee-fees

There were almost 63 million Americans who used their vote to put Trump in their White House. If the Democrats don't start worrying about the "precious ******* fee-fees" they aren't going to do very well in future elections either.

It seems like a basic principle. If you want someone's vote, you should treat them with respect. More than any other reason, what lost the election was when Hillary talked about "Deplorables". This comment confirmed what many Americans already suspect about what Hillary (and her supporters) think about them.

("Precious ******* fee-fees...." . That's awesome!)

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@maxdancona,

I don't want their votes. The Democrats do not NEED their votes in order to win. We don't need to bend over and submit to the demands of ignorant assholes to win and I for one refuse to do so. It's shitty, facile advice and I'm glad the Dem party isn't listening to people like you.

Like I said earlier, Hillary got far more votes, just not in the right places geographically. That is a correctable problem that doesn't rely upon acting like a bunch of jerks and fools are actually nice, misunderstood people.

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More than any other reason, what lost the election was when Hillary talked about "Deplorables". This comment confirmed what many Americans already suspect about what Hillary (and her supporters) think about them.

And it was a correct thing for her to say, because that IS what we think about that. And we're not wrong, you understand that, right? She was 100% correct in that speech.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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I don't want their votes. The Democrats do not NEED their votes in order to win.

There is no other way to spin this. The Democrats lost because they didn't get enough votes. If they had gotten more votes in the key states, they would have won. I don't see how you can say "I don't want their votes" is logical on any level. It is all about votes.

The Democrats need to win more votes. With this attitude they may lose mine (I did hold my nose to vote for Hillary in 2016).

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@Cycloptichorn,

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And we're not wrong, you understand that, right? She was 100% correct in that speech.

Do you know how many t-shirts that "Deplorables" comment sold?

Who cares if you think she was 100% correct. She lost the election. If more "Deplorables" had decided that she was better than Trump... even 3 or 4% of them... then she would have won.

You don't win elections without getting more votes. And you don't get votes by insulting people.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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I don't want their votes. The Democrats do not NEED their votes in order to win.

There is no other way to spin this. The Democrats lost because they didn't get enough votes. If they had gotten more votes in the key states, they would have won. I don't see how you can say "I don't want their votes" is logical on any level. It is all about votes.

The number of people who stayed home and didn't vote greatly exceeded the margin of victory of Trump in every one of those states. The Dems would be better off motivating those people to vote than trying to capture votes from a bunch of Republicans, because guess what, that **** isn't going to happen no matter how much people like you go on about it.

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The Democrats need to win more votes. With this attitude they may lose mine (I did hold my nose to vote for Hillary in 2016).

Oh no! What will we do!

Get outta here with this lame ****

Cycloptichorn

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Could it be that part of the reason so many of his erstwhile supporters are now close to becoming actual worshipers is due to the fact that the president has proclaimed all news sources that are offering any form or type of critique as fake news, and basically only endorses Fox from the major news outlets? If you believe the president (as I suspect they'll do), then they'll be wont to say to each and every news item that offers critique that it is fake news, since it's clearly not coming from Fox (those guys'll most likely die of collective apoplexy before uttering even one derogative word about the most glorious manifestation of human values, ethics and ideals ever, or for the rest of the world Trump). So, if every source that offers critique is judged thusly, what else is left to believe than that he is doing amazing things? Well, amazing in the positive sense that is.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

You don't win elections without getting more votes. And you don't get votes by insulting people.

If Hillary didn't have my vote already, her directly calling out the assholes in our society would have gotten it for me.

What more, Trump himself got TREMENDOUS numbers of votes thanks to his penchant for... insulting people. So I can't agree that this is correct in any way.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Barack Obama won, two times. He won by reaching out to all Americans (his one slip up, he walked back quickly).

We need another Obama rather than another Clinton.

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@najmelliw,

Eerily reminiscent of the concept of Lugenpresse. Worked great back then, too.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Hillary lost. That should be the end of the argument right there. Her campaign failed against one of the worst, least liked, candidates in modern American history.

The difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was already seen as part of the smug, politically correct, liberal elite. If you listen to what Trump voters said (and I will use the word "voters" rather than supporters because voters are what matters), they hated Hillary. Many of the people who voted gladly for Obama hated Hillary. She represents something that Obama didn't represent.

Sure... if Hillary insults millions of American voters... it may make the people in your political bubble happy. You are wrong in your assumption that people in your political bubble are enough to win elections.

Obama reached outside the bubble. Hillary didn't. And that made all the difference.

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@maxdancona,

Okay, great. I'm happy to have someone running for president who is inclusive.

However, I'm not running for president and I'm NOT inclusive. So I think I'll go right on describing Trump voters accurately, thanks very much. My opinions, and those of people like me, are not what caused Trump to win and there's nothing at all wrong with my saying them whenever I want. So please stop with the '**** like this is why Trump won' whining. It isn't. Dislike of Hillary is why he won, along with credulity, tribalism, racism and ignorance.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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However, I'm not running for president and I'm NOT inclusive. So I think I'll go right on describing Trump voters accurately, thanks very much.

And these Trump voters will keep describing you accurately... and political animosity between two ideological bubbles will continue to be at the center of our public discourse. The reality should be that there are lots of people living between the two political extremes. But these insults between the two sides have the effect of pushing everyone into one bubble or the other.

Trump represents the ideological exclusivity that you are promoting (even though he is on the other side politically).

I miss Barack Obama.

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@maxdancona,

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And these Trump voters will keep describing you accurately...

I mean, if they describe me as someone who looks down on them, then yeah, it is accurate. Otherwise I'm not sure what they'll say about me that I'm supposed to feel bad about.

You are positing a false equivalence that doesn't exist between the two ideological wings in this country. The motivations and in fact actions of the two groups are starkly different, as are those of their elected leaders.

I forgot that having political conversations with you is a waste of my time, largely because you aren't very informed but are very full of yourself, so this is the last response I'm gonna make

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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You are positing a false equivalence that doesn't exist between the two ideological wings in this country. The motivations and in fact actions of the two groups are starkly different, as are those of their elected leaders.

Great! you are giving me the last word. I will take it.

The fact is, in the last election; Trump won, and Hillary lost. It is certainly possible that Trump will win the next election (and if the voters feel that the Democrats don't respect them or listen to them, Trump will win).

I don't know what you are talking about when you say "false equivalence". Every four years, the United States holds an election. Our Constitution says that the person with the most electoral votes gets to be president. When it comes to who sits in the White House, that is the only thing that matters.

And that is what happened. If you don't think it can happen again, I think you are fooling yourself. If you really think that pissing off voters with whom you disagree is a good strategy, I think you are really misunderstanding how our political system works.

I miss Barack Obama.

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@maxdancona,

Max - You need to visit blatham's propaganda thread. All your fellow libs are now saying what you previously said and got an A2K black eye for.

Redemption

Delicious.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Nope

He was what I feared, not what I hoped for but he's still better than HRC.

Her ability to ruin America was always greater than his.

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@Region Philbis,

Why do you give a **** about the rest of the world's regard? They don't care about ours; nor should they.

Typical liberal remorse.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Which is rich from one your tribe's proud warriors.

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