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EVOLUTION 101 - what is there NOT to know?

 
 
Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:22 pm
As there appears to still be some lively discussion about evolution in the Philosophy Forum I've decided to go with one based in the hard sciences. I've been influenced somewhat by the latest offering by Richard Dawkins, 'The Ancestor's Tale' Amazon listing that is an excellent telling of the story of life. From p.17 he states inequovically that the pre-eminence of evolutionary theory.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:26 pm
I've lost patience with the creationists and other obstructionists of science. I no longer argue the topic with them. It gets boring, same old arguments time and again. A thread about the science of evolution would be welcome indeed.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:28 pm
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If every fossil were magicked away, the comparative study of modern [ie living] organisms, of how their patterns of resemblances, especially of the genetic sequences, are distributed among species, and of how species are distributed among continents and islands, would still demonstrate, beyond all sane doubt, that our history is evolutionary, and that all living creatures are cousins. Fossils are a bonus. A welcome bonus, to be sure, but not an essential one. It is worth remembering this when creationists go on (as they tediously do) about 'gaps' in the fossil record. The fossil record could be one big gap, and the evidence for evolution would still be overwhelmingly strong. At the same time, if we had only fossils and no other evidence, the fact of evolution would again be overwhelmingly supported. As things stand, we are blessed with both.


The Ancestor's Tale, p.17
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 10:11 pm
What Edgar said.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 02:04 pm
Dawkins is a very bright man. Thanks for letting me know he has a new book.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 08:40 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Dawkins is a very bright man. Thanks for letting me know he has a new book.


I'll even treat you (and our viewing audience) to a quick review.


The work starts, not at the point of the origin of life, but contemporary human life. He then works his way BACK to the earliest lifeforms by detailing the point where the line that runs to modern humans branches off from ancestral lines. The first point is the branching of the lines leading to chimp and homo (6 million BP), then the branching away of that joint line from that of gorillas, then other apes, monkeys and so on.

Each 'Rendevous' is a discrete event that links all living creatures in 39 evolutionary steps. Along with the descriptions of the how and why and where of such events he has filled the work with plenty of concrete examples of 'evolution in action'. Here's a good example:

The swim bladder in fish would appear to be the precursor of the lung ie as aquatic creatures left the water the organ changed to fill a new function. Not so "the primitive breathing lung forked in evolution and went two ways.. it carried its old breathing function out onto the land and.. became modified to form a genuine innovation - the swim bladder'.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2005 09:49 am
Re: EVOLUTION 101 - what is there NOT to know?
Mr Stillwater wrote:
As there appears to still be some lively discussion about evolution in the Philosophy Forum I've decided to go with one based in the hard sciences. I've been influenced somewhat by the latest offering by Richard Dawkins, 'The Ancestor's Tale' Amazon listing that is an excellent telling of the story of life. From p.17 he states inequovically that the pre-eminence of evolutionary theory.


One of the main strengths of the idea of evolution is its abilty to pull together so many different branches of science and tie them together. It's a successful and revealing theory on many many levels, and we can see its effects in our day to day lives. As far as scientific theories go, it's quite refreshing.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 05:27 pm
New hominid finds in Northern Ethiopia are filling in more gaps about human evolution.

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Creatures of the forest?
The discovery of 4.5-million-year-old fossils of the hominid Ardipithecus ramidus increases our knowledge of a fascinating stage of human evolution, before hominids left the forests for the open savanna. Fossil finds of this age are rare, but deposits in Gona, Ethiopia, have yielded material from at least nine individuals. Their context shows that they lived in an environment of moderate rainfall woodland, and grasslands.

Early Pliocene hominids from Gona, Ethiopia
SILESHI SEMAW, et al.
Nature 433, 301-305 (2005); doi:10.1038/nature03177



This is an important find from the period just after the split in the lines that lead to chimps and modern homo. Most importantly is the strong suggestion that the species had assumed an upright stance, prior to an existence in dryer environments.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:46 pm
Dawkins is a good writer and synthesizer of data.,
Id like to see a work, well written thhat combines thhe genettic, earth science , paleontology, and information of extinctions thhroughh time and couple that story with the story of the changing earth environmnent to explain how the "dumb luck" phenomena obtains in way that the trail of life has led. Much of the technical writing on eevolution is unapproachable to students. It assumes so m uch underpinning in another or two disciplines. hhats why DAwkins is a teachers favorite writer.

Remembre also, the teaching of evolution is only a part of thhe fighht against tthe great "dumming down" of university sciences
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 08:48 pm
Funny I never heard of this Dawkin's guy but as I was reading this thread I COINCIDENTLY was reading another article by him (the first I had ever read by him). Strange world we have...

Anyway its a good read though it takes a while to figure out what hes getting at.

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 7 Mar, 2005 02:24 am
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Oldest biped skeleton discovered
Posted Mon, 07 Mar 2005

A joint Ethiopian-US team of palaeontologists announced on Saturday they had discovered the world's oldest biped skeleton to be unearthed so far, dating it to between 3.8 and four million years old.

"This is the world's oldest biped," Bruce Latimer, director of the natural history museum in Cleveland, Ohio, told a news conference in the Ethiopian capital, adding that "it will revolutionise the way we see human evolution".

The bones were found three weeks ago in Ethiopia's Afar region, at a site some 60 kilometres from Hadar where Lucy, one of the first hominids, was discovered in 1974.

The Leakey Foundation, which funded the team who found Lucy, dates her 40 percent intact skeleton back 2.8 million years, but other palaeontological sources have said she may be as old as 3.2 million years.

source


I'm wondering why Nike or Reebok never fund these digs - you'd have thank bipedalism for their success. No!?
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