NeoPets Riddles (Lenny Conundrums) and Answers Here

i got 168.2

4*3*2*1*4=96
4*3*2*1*4=96
8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1*4=161280
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161472*90=14532480/60=242208/60=4036.8/24=168.2

to get the orientations, do you just multiply by four? or *4*3*2

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the only ones you have to worry about the orientation, are the 4 middle ones

"You can tell by looking at the pieces which ones are the four corners, which ones are the eight side pieces ....."

the outside edge is always on the outside - therefore the outside 12 pieces can only be orientated one way
- go look at a puzzle

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If we were talking about a jigsaw puzzle then sure, you could tell how they were oriented by the straight edge. But there's nothing to say the outside pieces have obvious outside edges.

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But looking at the tablet, there are 3 different shapes. Have you all considered that?

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"you can't tell where on the tablet they should go or how they should be oriented."

that means any piece can be oriented in any way...the edge pieces dont have a special edge

to get the number of orientations possible, multiply the number of pieces by 2, and put that as the exponent of 2. For example, for 2 pieces, there are 2^4 possible orientations and for 5 pieces its 2^5.

four pieces would be 256
eight would be 65536

then multiply the numbers by different numbers of locations, then 90sec.
divide by 60, 60, andn 24. Theres your answer.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/f/m/fmorel90/conundrum.xls
excel spreadsheet with answer

(its 1154487209164.8 days)

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fmorel wrote:

to get the number of orientations possible, multiply the number of pieces by 2, and put that as the exponent of 2. For example, for 2 pieces, there are 2^4 possible orientations and for 5 pieces its 2^5.

Otherwise known as raising four to the number of peices :wink: It'd be 2^10 (=4^5) for five pieces, not 2^5.

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im sorry i didnt know
i spent last night and this morning making drawings for almost every possibility for 1 piece, 2 pieces, 3, and 4.....then my dad noticed the pattern

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Hey, no need to apologize, I was just pointing out a simpler way to do it. Anytime you have to choose one out of (p) possibilities (t) times, the total number of ways to do it is p^t.

In this case, if there are four possible orientations (we can't seem to agree on that) and you don't already know how any of the 16 pieces are oriented (also can't agree on that), there are 4^16 (= 4,294,967,296) possible ways to orient them for EACH of the 23,224,320 placements (at least we seem to have consensus on that Rolling Eyes

). Some one's going to be busy for a while Surprised

.

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Siku wrote:

But looking at the tablet, there are 3 different shapes. Have you all considered that?

The tablet doesn't seem to be indicative of the puzzle. They use stock images when they can, which has been a subject of contention in the past...

fmorel wrote:

"you can't tell where on the tablet they should go or how they should be oriented."

that means any piece can be oriented in any way...the edge pieces dont have a special edge

It seems as though if you can tell it's an edge piece and not a center or corner piece, then you can tell which side is the edge.

This is one of the worst-phrased conundrums EVER Mad

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Jen Aside wrote:

It seems as though if you can tell it's an edge piece and not a center or corner piece, then you can tell which side is the edge.

Possibly, but maybe you can tell the difference because some are more weathered or bleached. I can't think of a case where that would happen off hand, but the point is that maybe you can differentiate them by something other than their edges.

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Hi, I read the whole thing and now i'm completly confused, especially the orientation thing.

I'm sorry if this sounds silly but it's talking about rotation right? How do we know if has 4 sides, therefore 4 orientations? And well, it's kinda weird that some symbols might look the same upside down.

I guess imight be getting too far into this, but then, how far do you have to go?

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The answer is:

[(4!)^2 * 8! * x^4 * y^4 * z^8] * [90 / (60^2 * 24)]

where:

x = the number of ways to orient each corner piece
y = the number of ways to orient each center piece
z = the number of ways to orient each edge piece

All you need to do is figure out what x, y, and z are.

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x wrote:

Jen Aside wrote:
It seems as though if you can tell it's an edge piece and not a center or corner piece, then you can tell which side is the edge.

Possibly, but maybe you can tell the difference because some are more weathered or bleached. I can't think of a case where that would happen off hand, but the point is that maybe you can differentiate them by something other than their edges.

That seems like Russell's paradox... practically speaking, you should be able to tell which edge is the edge if you can tell it's an edge piece--otherwise, you're apparently too smart for your own good Rolling Eyes

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24192 days was the correct answer Very Happy

i won a whopping 869 NP. yay!

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Okay, so the orientation didn't matter then... so why on earth did they have the bit about how you couldn't tell how the pieces were oriented Confused

Oh well, let's hope the next one is worded better!

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Cha ching!

Dear Fluci Luciferius,

Congratulations! You have guessed correctly in the Lenny Conundrum game (round 134). You have won 869 NP!

Because you were in the first 250 to guess correctly, you also have been awarded a Qasalan Tablets (TCG), and receive a trophy and the Lenny Conundrum avatar!

Yours Sincerely,
The Neopets Team!

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CONGRATZ FLUZI! man i didnt win Sad

im horrible. even w/ this site Razz

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NEW:
Prize: Lost Desert Paint Brush Plushie Confused

It starts in the desert but not in the plain,
But then? Not in sunshine, but found in the rain.
After that, just ask Coltzan, Amira knows not.
And end in the pyramid; not a temple or hut.
Put them together, your next task's in hand.
And perhaps a great city will return to this land.

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kinda cheap prize this time...

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Sounds like a word puzzle to me.

"Its at the start of every end and at the end of every life."
The answer to that would be "e"

Soo... "Starts in the desert but not in the plain" could be D, De, Des, etc.

The second one, "Not in sunshine, but found in the rain". IN is in SunshINe, so we only have: R, or RA to work with.

but I can't finish it... can you?

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