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NeoPets Riddles (Lenny Conundrums) and Answers Here

 
 
Drago
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:28 am
tonialiani wrote:

My volume is a bit different (339437.99 cm^3), but to change it to m^3 wouldn't you just move the decimal 2 places to the left, making it 3394.3799 m^3?

no, 1cm³=1x10-6m³ i think
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misspelt
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:28 am
too convert cm cubed to m cubed you must multiply by 10^-6
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momcarrot
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:29 am
[C = pi * r^2]

No, C= pi*d, or pi*2r Area of a circle is pi*r^2
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tonialiani
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:29 am
catmegz wrote:

= 55496.33 cm^3
= .055496 m^3

Thoughts?


So you have to move the decimal 6 places to the left? Why is that?
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Drago
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:31 am
Thank you for submitting your answer
Good luck!!
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Good Luck to all
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bullzeye150
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:33 am
does 30.342252 cubic meters sound right for the volume ??
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tonialiani
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:34 am
misspelt wrote:
too convert cm cubed to m cubed you must multiply by 10^-6


OK, got it, thanks Smile . So with that change I get about 29.4 kg.

530 kg/m^3 * .05549 m^3 = 29.41 kg
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misspelt
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:34 am
"So you have to move the decimal 6 places to the left? Why is that?"

There are 100 cm per m. So, in converting a straight line from cm to m, we would move the decimal point 2 places left. However, we are talking cubic cm and m - hence move it 2X3 = 6 places left. (Height, width, length).
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catmegz
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:36 am
Trying this again...

I got 8 years of growth (end of year 1 - end of year 9)

H = 124 * (1.45)^8 = 2423.068
C = 14 * (1.22)^8 = 68.71
C = 2* pi * r
68.71 = 2 * pi * r
r = 10.94

V = 1/3 (pi * r^2) * H
= 1/3 * (3.14 * (10.94)^2) * 2423.068
= 1/3 * 375.86 * 2423.068
= 1/3 * 910729.33
= 303576.44 cm^3
= .30357644 m^3 (1 m^3 = 1,000,000 cm^3)

W = V * 530
= .30357644 * 530
= 160.89 kg
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tonialiani
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:37 am
catmegz wrote:
catmegz wrote:

C = pi * r^2

Nevermind - I messed up this line. Sad


Well, I ended up submitting 29.41 kilogrammes (British spelling...you think I'll get Brownie points?)
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catmegz
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:38 am
I submitted 29.41 too - then realized I had messed it up. Oh well. Smile
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mommytbe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:40 am
I'm pretty sure the answer is less than 10. Still checking my work to make sure didn't make stupid mistake.

I'm so glad my daughter came in!! She just finished calculus I & II. Laughing

~Tami
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Drago
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:41 am
circunference=68.707900978225cm
height=2423.0685627799cm
radius=10.935202070153cm
Volumen=303422.61466594cm³=0.30342261466594m³
Volumen*530Kg/m³=160.81398577295Kg
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misspelt
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:45 am
Quote:
circunference=68.707900978225cm
height=2423.0685627799cm
radius=10.935202070153cm
Volumen=303422.61466594cm³=0.30342261466594m³
Volumen*530Kg/m³=160.81398577295Kg

Ahh, someone with a similar answer to me, that I posted several pages back.
Maybe, I was on the right track Very Happy
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MariaWB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 10:50 am
Urgh a math one.. I'm so glad I went to bed, SO not worth staying up for *LoL*

I SUCK at math, and I even recognise the formula for this one, but I still don't want to do it =p

... well, maybe later ;-)
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stapel
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:42 am
The 'Lenny' authors, in Round 245, wrote:
On Neopia's first New Year's Eve, some of Neopia's citizens planted a pine tree in the Haunted Woods to commemorate the first New Year's celebration. The tree was just a sapling; the trunk was cone-shaped, and its circumference at the base was 14 cm and its height was 124 cm.

Every year since then, its height has increased 45% over the previous year, and its circumference has increased 22%. If the density of the wood is 530 kilogrammes per cubic metre, how many kilogrammes did the tree's trunk weigh this past New Year's Eve?

This is compounded growth, since each year's growth is increased "over the previous year". So use the compounded growth formula:

. . . . .A = P(1 + r/n)^(nt)

...where:

. . . . .A: ending amount
. . . . .P: beginning amount
. . . . .r: growth rate (as a decimal)
. . . . .n: number of compoundings per period
. . . . .t: number of periods

In this case:

. . . . .P: the original value for height h or
. . . . . . .circumference C
. . . . .r: 0.45 (for h) or 0.22 (for C)
. . . . .n: n = 1 for yearly compounding
. . . . .t: unknown (to residents of the real world;
. . . . . . .Neopians will need to supply this value)

In "t" years, the height h will have gone from an initial value of h_0 = 124 to a final value given by:

. . . . .h(t) = 124(1 + 0.45)^(t)

. . . . . .. . .= 124(1.45)^(t)

In "t" years, the circumference C will have gone from an intial value of C_0 = 14 to a final value given by:

. . . . .C(t) = 14(1 + 0.22)^(t)

. . . . . .. . .= 14(1.22)^(t)

The formula for the volume V of a right circular cone with radius r and height h is given by:

. . . . .V = (1/3)(pi)(r^2)(h)

The circumference C of a circle with radius r is given by:

. . . . .C = 2(pi)r

Then the volume, in terms of the circumference (rather than the radius) and the height, is given by:

. . . . .C = 2(pi)r

. . . . .C / (2(pi)) = r

. . . . .V = (1/3)(pi)(r^2)(h)

. . . .. . .= (1/3)(pi)[C / (2(pi))]^2 (h)

. . .. . . .= (1/3)(pi)[C^2 / (4(pi)^2)](h)

. .. . . . .= (1/3)(pi)(C^2)(h) / (4)(pi)^2

.. . . . . .= (1/3)(1/4)(pi / (pi)^2)(C^2)(h)

. . . . . ..= (1/12)(1/pi)(C^2)(h)

Then the volume V of the cone, after t years, is:

. . . . .V = (1/12)(1/pi)[14(1.22)^t)]^2 [124(1.45)^t)]

. . . . .. .= (1/12)(1/pi)(196)[(1.22)^(2t)](124)[(1.45)^t]

. . . . .. .= (6076/3pi)(1.22)^(2t) (1.45)^(t)

This is, of course, the volume in terms of cubic centimeters. The density D of the wood is given in terms of cubic meters: 530 kilograms per one cubit meter. Since there are one hundred centimeters to one meter, then there are 100^3 = 1 000 000 cubic centimeters to one cubic meter.

To determine the final required value (the mass of wood), first obtain the value of t, being the number of years. Plug this into the volume formula (above) to obtain the value of the volume V of wood in cubic centimeters. Divide this volume value by 1 000 000 to obtain the volume stated in terms of the number of cubic meters. Then multipy this new volume value by 530 to obtain the number of kilograms of wood.

Note: I see no instructions regarding rounding.

If the first New Year's Eve fell on 31 December 1999, then 31 December 2007 gives t = 8 (since 31 December 2000 would have been t = 1). Plugging this into the algorithm above, one should obtain a value of 160.81398577... kilograms.

Rounded in the standard (mathematical) manner, one would obtain an answer of "161 kg". I do not know whether the units (namely, "kilograms") should be included within the submitted solution.

Please check my work.

Eliz.
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smurfsey
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 12:24 pm
I got 160.814 Eliz.

I didn't work out a formula. I just used excel to add the 45% and 22% to the circumference and the height each year (I converted them to m before I started). Then converted the circumference to the radius using r = C/2pi and worked out the Volume of the cone (V=1/3 pi r^2 h). Finally I used Mass = Density * Volume to work out the mass.
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misspelt
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 02:14 pm
Quote:
I didn't work out a formula. I just used excel to add the 45% and 22% to the circumference and the height each year (I converted them to m before I started). Then converted the circumference to the radius using r = C/2pi and worked out the Volume of the cone (V=1/3 pi r^2 h). Finally I used Mass = Density * Volume to work out the mass.

Yes I did the same, however, I added the growth by hand (well with a calculator) which of course gave some rounding errors. Lucky they weren't large enough to affect my final answer.
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wetardit
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 05:18 pm
I don't think it's that easy. You may have to use calculus and do related rates. As the circumference and height increases, the volume does not do so at a steady rate. Each year, the tree volume will not grow the same. So you'll have to do an integral. I get 6348, but try it yourself.
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stapel
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 06:48 pm
wetardit wrote:
You may have to use calculus and do related rates. As the circumference and height increases, the volume does not do so at a steady rate. Each year, the tree volume will not grow the same. So you'll have to do an integral. I get 6348....

The fact that your integral (being an implicit summation) is so very far afield of the other values obtained by explicit summation would tend to undermine your assertion. If you would like to show your work, in particular the development of your integrand, this might be helpful.

But since the question does not ask for the growth rate, the lack of "evenness" in that growth rate would appear (to me) to be irrelevant.

In fact, just as the calculus is not needed to obtain the final value of a compounded loan amount (which is why it can be taught in elementary algebra courses), I would respectfully suggest that the calculus is likewise not needed to obtain the final value here.

Eliz.
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