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NeoPets Riddles (Lenny Conundrums) and Answers Here

 
 
Sahar
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 03:06 pm
Well, it seems stapel is right. The calculations I used had 2100 as the radius. I don't know how i didn't catch that. which means the answer's probably 162. whoops...well anneska...next week's another lenny for the two of us Wink
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stapel
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 04:23 pm
caminando wrote:
...if they eat 0.4kg they eat 0.4 kg, no matter what material or what thing they are eating.

But what volume do they eat?

By the way, kilograms measure mass. This unit is commonly used as a proxy for weight, but mass and weight are not the same. Mass is just the "stuff"; weight is the force the stuff exerts, being the product of the mass and the acceleration due to gravity. ("Force" equals "mass" times "acceleration", or, symbolically, F = ma.) Gravity is acceleration, and this acceleration is applied to every object on the planet's surface. The product of the acceleration and the mass is the force which we call "weight".

In English units, the force is "pounds"; the unit of mass is the "slug".

While the gravitational constant G is universal (the value is the same everywhere in the universe), the constant "g" for any particular body varies. This is why you would weigh only about 1/6 as much on Earth's moon as you would on Earth: the Earth and its moon have different masses within spheres of different radii, so the value of "g" for each is distinct. And this is why we needed to consider radius and gravity to find the mass, etc, for Neopia.

Density is the amount of mass ("stuff") in a certain volume. Most of an atom is empty space, some molecules are "airy", and some structures are fairly "open". So a fixed volume (say, a cubic foot) of different materials will contain different masses, and thus will have different weights. If you fill one shoe-box with gravel and another with packing peanuts, you may fill about the same area, but the box of rocks will be much heavier. The mass makes the difference; the volume is not sufficient information.

Since, for this Lenny, the rate of consumption was given in terms of mass (0.4 kg), but you were asked for the time in terms of a volume (1 km^3), there had to be some consideration made of mass and density, in order to be able to convert from the one to the other.

Eliz.
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wunnerful
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 06:52 pm
re: mass
Wouldn't the mass taken away affect the answer? Over time, the mass and volume of the planet would change the other values (like compound interest). I am going to seclude myself in my room and use all the formulas I know, being a 9th grade prodigy Smile Have you seen Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? This is exactly like that. I will try to do it alone!!
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knux
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 03:33 am
Re: re: mass
wunnerful wrote:
Wouldn't the mass taken away affect the answer? Over time, the mass and volume of the planet would change the other values (like compound interest). I am going to seclude myself in my room and use all the formulas I know, being a 9th grade prodigy Smile Have you seen Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? This is exactly like that. I will try to do it alone!!


Yea the entire question is based that the gravity and mass would level off each time one of them ate something, in theory if 1 million Skieths were to continually eat part of Neopia, the planet would lose orbit and probably take Krelundor to a crash from abnormal orbiting patterns, not to mention the space station and the shuttle flying around Neopia. I go with 162 personally though I'm sure TNT will come out saying that the answer is something like 19492 Years or something... O well good luck to all and congrats to the few who do win, this will be a big pot.

***OFFT TOPIC***
O btw, I joined the site finally so be looking around for me every now and then to chat with ya and to add to the LC stuff. If anyone wants to bug me on neopets just send a friend request to knuxkingofthedamned...
***OFF TOPIC***
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NeoPirate
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 07:43 am
xD I got 162 too. Well actually, my friend did most of the work, I'm terrible at maths. :p
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stapel
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 09:15 am
wunnerful wrote:
Wouldn't the mass taken away affect the answer?

Well, yes, eventually....

But the volume of the planet (that is, of the uniform sphere) is currently around 4849048261 cubic kilometers. Since it will take 161+ years to consume one cubic kilometer, the difference in mass will be as close to nothing as makes no difference, at least no difference until long after we're dead. :wink:

The mass is being changed by 0.000000002% in 161+ years, or about 0.00000000001% annually. This would change the acceleration due to gravity by a corresponding amount, which wouldn't even be noticed (at least for a millenium or so) in amongst all the round-off error.

In any case, we only used the acceleration due to gravity for right now to find the mass, and thus the density, for right now. While the gravity will change, the mass will not, other than by the amount eaten (though, admittedly, the lower gravity in a million years or so might allow the material to pack less densely).

In other words, I think we're okay.

Eliz.
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ashleigh21
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:53 pm
i put 81 in too!! Cool
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HotHeather
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 07:28 pm
I missed it Crying or Very sad
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 08:35 pm
Lenny Conundrum 4/30
Neopia is a strange little planet. Its gravitational acceleration at its surface is exactly 10.0 metres per second per second, and its diameter is exactly 2100 kilometres.

But wouldn't you have to take into account that the surface acceleration is 10.0 meters per second, so wouldn't that affect the time it take the skeiths to eat the much of Neopia? I mean, it would make sense to add that, right? So it would have to be MORE than 162 years, if i'm right. I'm not sure. You guys are gonna have to help me out!

~Jexie
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stapel
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 08:49 pm
riunivaka wrote:
But wouldn't you have to take into account that the surface acceleration is 10.0 meters per second, so wouldn't that affect the time it take the skeiths to eat the much of Neopia?... it would have to be MORE than 162 years....

How would the force of gravity affect the consumption rate...?

You say that it "must" do so, that it would "have to" strongly affect the results. Please reply with the science and numbers behind your assertions.

Thank you.

Eliz.
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:23 pm
RE:
Well, I'm a 7th grader, so I'm not all acurate with math and science, if we dismiss the fact i skipped a grade Rolling Eyes so I'm not sure if it would impact it. I'm just saying that could there be a possibility? I mean, it kinda did make sense to me. I have no numbers or symbols. I only have ideas.

Some ideas work.
Some don't.
Just all depends on whether I'm thinking straight or not
So I guess it doesn't matter. Than what is the final answer?
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:25 pm
RE:
stapel wrote:
riunivaka wrote:
But wouldn't you have to take into account that the surface acceleration is 10.0 meters per second, so wouldn't that affect the time it take the skeiths to eat the much of Neopia?... it would have to be MORE than 162 years....

How would the force of gravity affect the consumption rate...?

You say that it "must" do so, that it would "have to" strongly affect the results. Please reply with the science and numbers behind your assertions.

Thank you.

Eliz.


Please see above. I never said 'it must' or 'have to' I'm just using it as an idea. It doesn't have to be a correct one. We all have mistakes in the begining, you know. I'm just trying to see other answers to this.
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 04:34 pm
... hello
BTW, Eliz, I don't mean to be rude, or anything, in the above.
But just out of curiosity, when do they send the emails out to people about the wins?
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HotHeather
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 05:20 pm
anyone know this week's mystery picture? Send me an email at [email protected] or msn me Smile
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stapel
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 08:40 pm
riunivaka wrote:
BTW, Eliz...when do they send the emails out to people about the wins?

I have no idea. You'd need to contact a Neopian about that. Sorry.

Eliz.
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 08:48 pm
Email to Neopians?
I heard from someone you get an email from theneopetsteam if you win a prize. But I was just trying to verify it here.

But thanks for all your help!
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Sahar
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 11:42 pm
riunivaka,

Usually the puzzles are released on Wednesdays and are judged by the following Wednesday. If you guessed correctly, then you get an email on that day confirming you were right and the amount of neopoints you've won. This week was a little strange in that the puzzle was released much later than usual.
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riunivaka
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 02:49 pm
response
I, too, noticed they gave it out much later than usual. Does this mean they'll check the answesr today or next wednesay?
A Puzzle to me as well.

Anyways, thanks, and I hope I can be help later!
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HotHeather
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 02:55 pm
lenny
Hi everyone. Hope the LC comes out soon. I'm SO DESPERATE to get this avatar. I been trying for over 2 years. If anyone knows the answer please please please PM me or email the answer to me or msn me at: [email protected]

I have a grey gallery and would be willing to give up my grey pb to whoever can give me the correct answer. Thanks. hugs and kisses Smile
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anneska
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 03:15 pm
Hi I don't thin kits comming out, the previose one has not closed yet!
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