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Is France "stingy"?

 
 
gav
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 01:46 pm
McGentrix wrote:
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If you do it by percentage of women with hairy armpits and bars of soap used per annum it doesn't work either.


If you pluck up the courage to leave the US coastlines and venture further inland (some call them the "red states' others "redneck states") you'll find much the same regard for hygiene!!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 01:51 pm
gav wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
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If you do it by percentage of women with hairy armpits and bars of soap used per annum it doesn't work either.


If you pluck up the courage to leave the US coastlines and venture further inland (some call them the "red states' others "redneck states") you'll find much the same regard for hygiene!!!


*zing*
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 02:06 pm
'Round these here parts, furst thing we do when we kill a bear is take the fat and render it down fer soap. Cleanliness is next to Godliness!
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gav
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 03:08 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cleanliness is next to Godliness!


Baptisms at yer local Evangelical church don't count!!!
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:45 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Was someone claiming the remark about "stingy" was directed at the US only? I understand it was addressed to the rich countries, and said as much in my initial post.

Someone is now ...

you feel like putting him right?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:12 pm
Not my job. If someone dares to suggest that America is generous, you can certainly be counted on to put them in their place. Nobody will get away with trumpeting the praises of the US in the area of charitable donations ... not while you are on the job.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:22 pm
LOL!

Yep - the anti-American card. It had to be coming.

Note that the article McG posted quite literally went railing about how the UN is crap, the Europeans are crap, the Japanese are less good too - everybody's just all talk - only America acts. We are better than all of you.

But - if any of us Europeans, UN'ers, whatevers, dare refute any such hateful putdowns, WE are the anti-Americans, fueled by mere resentment and hate.

Right on, Tico.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:27 pm
nimh wrote:
LOL!

Yep - the anti-American card. It had to be coming.

Note that the article McG posted quite literally went railing about how the UN is crap, the Europeans are crap, the Japanese are less good too - everybody's just all talk - only America acts. We are better than all of you.

But - if any of us Europeans, UN'ers, whatevers, dare refute any such hateful putdowns, WE are the anti-Americans, fueled by mere resentment and hate.

Right on, Tico.


Did you read the article I posted? I do not recall the author railing about the UN being crap, the Europeans being crap or the Japanese being less good.

Perhaps you do have an anti-US bias.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:42 pm
nimh wrote:
LOL!

Yep - the anti-American card. It had to be coming.

Note that the article McG posted quite literally went railing about how the UN is crap, the Europeans are crap, the Japanese are less good too - everybody's just all talk - only America acts. We are better than all of you.

But - if any of us Europeans, UN'ers, whatevers, dare refute any such hateful putdowns, WE are the anti-Americans, fueled by mere resentment and hate.

Right on, Tico.


I didn't play any sort of "anti-American card." I have merely identified your propensity. It appears you view any attempt to tout American giving as a sort of implied putdown of Europeans, the UN, the rest of the world, to which you feel the need to respond.
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Magus
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:56 pm
Yes, tickie, the consensus reached by so many re: the content of your posts... is entirely arbitrary.
(Y'see, tickie, no-one is reacting to the arrogance, strutting, posing or bombast... no, not at all.
You're obviously the victim here.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:01 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
It appears you view any attempt to tout American giving as a sort of implied putdown of Europeans, the UN, the rest of the world, to which you feel the need to respond.


"Implied" putdowns?

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They heard as well the slam at President Bush, who is said by unredeemable cynics to have remained too long at his Texas ranch instead of hastening to his principal workplace a la Germany's marvelous, sensitive Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. [..]

Leading the charge against American generosity were, among others: the United Nations' Jan Egeland: "It is beyond me why (the U.S.) is so stingy, really." [..]

Let's get real. [..] When it comes to this sort of giving, nobody beats Americans. [..] The U.S. does disaster relief and reconstruction better than any country in history. [..] In 2003, U.S. development aid was nearly twice the amount from No. 2 giver, Japan. Time after time, America arrives first and delivers the most. Others talk about doing something; America acts.

Mired in incompetence and corruption, the U.N. sits around discussing. [..] Twelve days after the tsunami, Canada's Disaster Assistance Response Team still hadn't reached the area because it couldn't locate adequate aircraft. In crises, first calls are made not to the U.N. and Canada and the like, but to America because it is the most likely to respond. [..]


So - the article can bubble over with insultingly worded claims of how other countries are worse than America - how they 'just talk'.

Thats perfectly OK, and reasonable, and you'd have to be deluded to see any putdown in it. Even if the 'facts' trumpeted in it are demonstratively false (eg the Egelund quote).

But a rebuttal to the claims made in the article 'merely shows one's propensity' to put America down.

Rolling Eyes
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:06 pm
Ummmm... Is any of that false? Aside from the Egland quote I mean.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:07 pm
Rebut away, nimh. I merely pointed out your propensity, and you are simply justifying it. But I wonder if you have ever seen an attempt to tout American generosity that you did not view as a slam on Europe and the rest of the world?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:45 pm
Doesn't it sorta defeat the sense of altruism and generosity to brag about how good you are at 'em, and to rag on others for not doin' more? Seems to me giving and helping don't much go with partisan jingoism.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:57 pm
Do good things and speak about it.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 02:08 pm
Apparently, if you not speak of it, you get labeled "stingy".
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 04:32 pm
It's a vicious circle: When "rich" western countries are labeled "stingy," ... people from those countries should just smile softly, knowing they are altruistic and generous. If instead they should proclaim their generosity, they are pounced upon by people from other countries who feel slighted by the remarks, even though they themselves should just smile softly, knowing in their hearts that they too are altruistic and generous .... Etc.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 06:16 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Rebut away, nimh. I merely pointed out your propensity, and you are simply justifying it. But I wonder if you have ever seen an attempt to tout American generosity that you did not view as a slam on Europe and the rest of the world?

Yep, have.

If by "touting American generosity", you mean, like, "look what we've done, isn't it cool?", rather than "hah! look what we've done, it's clearly better than what anyone else ever did, because their efforts were just pathetic" (see my excerpts from the article above).

It seems like you can't see the difference between the two, witnessing the 'injured innocent' role you claim when you find people reacting negatively to the latter - claiming that if they do so, it must just be due to their "propensity" to describe America negatively.

Not that I'm too big on "touting" one's own generosity, period. Witness this post of mine, in which I showcased and expressed my distaste at the self-congratulatory "touting" of Dutch generosity by Dutch newspapers, which handily replaced the tsunami victims as subject of their story by the Dutch heroes. "Holland outdoes itself!".

One thing, though, I gotta give 'em, retroactively, in light of McGentrix's thread: the headline did not read "Holland outdoes all others!".

You probably won't see the point in that difference, either.

timberlandko wrote:
Doesn't it sorta defeat the sense of altruism and generosity to brag about how good you are at 'em, and to rag on others for not doin' more? Seems to me giving and helping don't much go with partisan jingoism.

Amen.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 10:19 am
Thank you for explaining your propensity ... again. My observation is purely anecdotal.

Regarding your earlier post, I took it as "proper chest thumping" from you at the time, which did not bother me in the least. You did not make it clear that you were "expressing your distaste," and it was not evident to me. Vagaries of language perhaps? You appeared to me to be taking the opportunity to point out that the Netherlands had pledged 112 million Euro, and you were impressed with that amount.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 11:02 am
Known nimh a while now ... on a couple different boards. He ain't much a jingoist. Partisan, yeah, and unfortunately caught up in that whole "Liberal/Progressive" errancy, but even for that, he's a straight up goodguy. :wink: Laughing
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